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benjo0101

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That's an outlook that won't ever be unanimously agreed upon. I like to think that majority of the best fighters or anything that can be turned into a completion would like to actually test themselves against the best. I can't see a ton of fighters dedicating so much time and effort getting hammered on in training look for the easiest path.

What other champions called for title fights with guys out of the top ten, retired or lengthy time of or from a lesser weight division when they haven't defended or cleaned out their own division yet?
This is sense talking
 

Yossarian

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Exactly, and he is like 37 or 38? Of course he is going to pick his fights carefully. I'd like to see him fight legit contenders though.
Thing is, this is what you get when you have Conor doing whatever the fuck he wants, why wouldn't other champs?
Because Conor brings the money, Bisping simply doesn't. Conor brings it, others ask for it, that is the difference. That is why the UFC is looking the other way while Conor does his thing.

Now, if one has to make the comparison with Conor, let Bisping call somebody out ABOVE his weight class, yes, then such a comparison would make more sense. Of course, Bispings weightclass has such a bigger division above him, the size would be too big. So I think one of the contenders would be the best way forward for Bisping to solidify his reign. The moose if he's bent on avoiding Jacare.
 

regular john

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What other champions called for title fights with guys out of the top ten, retired or lengthy time of or from a lesser weight division when they haven't defended or cleaned out their own division yet?
maybe the answer is none; but that would be because for 20 years the ufc played it like that would be imposible.

now they've set weird precedents and at least Bisping and Woodley are trying to get "money fights" instead of fighting the #1 contender.

and I wouldn't buy the "test themselves against the best" thing. they're working just like everybody else. if they can get more money while taking less risks they'll do it.
 

Yossarian

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maybe the answer is none; but that would be because for 20 years the ufc played it like that would be imposible.

now they've set weird precedents and at least Bisping and Woodley are trying to get "money fights" instead of fighting the #1 contender.

and I wouldn't buy the "test themselves against the best" thing. they're working just like everybody else. if they can get more money while taking less risks they'll do it.
Good points, but still.... :)
 

regular john

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and for the record I think Bisping matches up pretty well against Jacare.

the champ has fought takedowns his whole career and he's never got stuck on the ground against no one. Jacare is not a very good wrestler, he relies more on pressuring and chaining takedown attempts which I don't think would work on Bisping.

I think there's a good posibility that Bisping spends the whole fight scoring his pitter patter punches from the outside just outworking Jacare on the feet and avoiding the ground fight.
 

benjo0101

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and for the record I think Bisping matches up pretty well against Jacare.

the champ has fought takedowns his whole career and he's never got stuck on the ground against no one. Jacare is not a very good wrestler, he relies more on pressuring and chaining takedown attempts which I don't think would work on Bisping.

I think there's a good posibility that Bisping spends the whole fight scoring his pitter patter punches from the outside just outworking Jacare on the feet and avoiding the ground fight.
Could be true. But Rockhold submitted him. I appreciate the rematch was different but...
 

benjo0101

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and for the record I think Bisping matches up pretty well against Jacare.

the champ has fought takedowns his whole career and he's never got stuck on the ground against no one. Jacare is not a very good wrestler, he relies more on pressuring and chaining takedown attempts which I don't think would work on Bisping.

I think there's a good posibility that Bisping spends the whole fight scoring his pitter patter punches from the outside just outworking Jacare on the feet and avoiding the ground fight.
Although just checking my brain, I think that's his only ever submisson loss.... Could be wrong.
 

regular john

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Could be true. But Rockhold submitted him. I appreciate the rematch was different but...
but Rockhold broke Bisping with the head kicks then just slapped a sub. Bisping gets wrecked when the other guy is a better striker or has much better athleticism than him. OTOH he does pretty good when he needs to use just defensive wrestling and can outstrike the other guy.
 

benjo0101

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but Rockhold broke Bisping with the head kicks then just slapped a sub. Bisping gets wrecked when the other guy is a better striker or has much better athleticism than him. OTOH he does pretty good when he needs to use just defensive wrestling and can outstrike the other guy.
Yea you have a point.

I, as not a huggge fan of either guy, would love to see this clash of styles play out. Borefest or Fight of the year. I wanna see it.
 

Qat

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Now, if one has to make the comparison with Conor, let Bisping call somebody out ABOVE his weight class, yes, then such a comparison would make more sense.
He called out Lesnar.

Because Conor brings the money, Bisping simply doesn't. Conor brings it, others ask for it, that is the difference. That is why the UFC is looking the other way while Conor does his thing.
Kinda lame statements. Anyhow, you see that he is doing it successfully so far.
 

La Paix

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but Rockhold broke Bisping with the head kicks then just slapped a sub. Bisping gets wrecked when the other guy is a better striker or has much better athleticism than him. OTOH he does pretty good when he needs to use just defensive wrestling and can outstrike the other guy.
To say Luke just slapped a sub on after head kicks is quite the down play. That was a great sequence start to finish, not too many one armed guillotines highlights out there at that level.

 

regular john

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To say Luke just slapped a sub on after head kicks is quite the down play. That was a great sequence start to finish, not too many one armed guillotines highlights out there at that level.

what I meant is that Rockhold didn't win by outgrappling Bisping. it wasn't a string of grappling maneuvers or even a sustained grappling sequence. he outclassed Bisping on the feet, dropped him, then "slapped" a sub on a guy that was probably rocked. as we can see from the gif Bisping was getting punched a flash second before getting subbed.

the point being that the fact that Rockhold subbed Bisping doesn't have anything to do with a posible sub by Jacare against Bisping.
 

BJJMMA

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I said it somewhere on here the other day. Bisping called out Lesnar, GSP, Diaz and then Jacare became available and it was crickets. He knows he doesn't stack up. Hoping to see Weidman destroy him but I'll take any of them at this point.