Lorenzo Fertitta: 'Rousey plotting her comeback'

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Winnson

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GSP don't count. He's still locked up even though Dana threw him under a bus.
 

Zeph

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So who did it to the rest of them? Themselves?
I didn't mention them one way or another. Wanderlei fucked himself by running from the test, then the NSAC fucked him by banning him indefinitely. Zuffa could have released him from the contract, but that would be bad for business, and it isn't like they put him in that situation.

Ken, I don't know enough about his situation to comment one way or the other. The same for Royce. Tito and Randy, however, have been sewered by Zuffa, mainly over contract disputes over pay, from my perspective.
 

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Name a Zuffa era UFC hero that left with a good name on his or her own terms.
Well there aren't that many of them and you've explicitly said the ones that have a good relationship with Zuffa don't count. Pretty much the definition of a loaded question.
 

Winnson

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Not at all. What I'm asking is name a Zuffa era UFC hero that is no longer fighting and that you still admire.

Seriously, name one. It's not an easy task.

Zuffa took care of that.
 

Winnson

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Even the old champs too, just to make sure they didn't bring value to rival organizations.

Oh, and no worries, because then they crushed those rival organizations too.

All wrapped up in a neat little package!

No feeder leagues, nothing else, just UFC, with a bunch of shameless ex-champs.
 

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Not at all. What I'm asking is name a Zuffa era UFC hero that is no longer fighting and that you still admire.

Seriously, name one. It's not an easy task.

Zuffa took care of that.
Seriously? GSP, Forest Griffin, Rich Franklin, Chuck Liddel, Brock Lesnar, Nate Quarry, Carlos Newton, Tim Sylvia, Randy Couture, Matt Lindland, Frank Trigg, BJ Penn, Mark Coleman, Big Nog, Shane Carwin, Matt Serra, Chris Lytle, Alan Belcher, Cung Le, Brain Stann, Sean Sherk, Duane Ludwig, Dan Hardy, Ricardo Almeida, Mike Brown.

Retired guys off the top of my head, there are many more that I'm not remembering straight away, I'm sure.
 

Winnson

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GSP - Locked to Zuffa
Forrest Griffin - How about Bonnar?
Rich Franklin - crushed by Silva - crushed by Zuffa (he did it to himself)
Chuck Liddel - works for Zuffa
Brock Lesnar - GTFO after getting half his guts pulled out and losing to Overeem - check out that post fight press conference. Brock was big and smart enough not to get totally locked down by Zuffa.
Nate Quarry - hates Zuffa with a passion, working his butt off to organize fighters against Zuffa. Randy broke his ankle.
Carlos Newton - Currently suing Zuffa® - he's in the first lawsuit with Nate Quarry!
Tim Silvia - How was his reputation by the time he left? Dumped on a dating game show set up by Zuffa and accused pants shitter by Zuffa.
Randy Couture - Blackballed by Zuffa for life
Lindland - How is his standing with The UFC ™?
Trigg - The woman beater
Penn - embarrassed by Edgar and retired. Is he allowed to fight for a different organization?
Coleman - gofundme for a hip replacement
Nogueira - Pride fighter that could have won every fight he had in The UFC (except Mir) if it weren't called off to early
Carwin - Lesnar's last smackdown before getting out. Whatever happened to him?
Serra - Great mouthpiece! He's still actively doing stuff with Dana I believe, like finding an opponent for CM Punk
Lytle - Got out alive but never was a world beater. How many belts has he held? He even wrote Dana a respectful resignation letter, so he didn't get totally trashed.
Belcher - dead and gone and decimated
Cung Le - in the original lawsuit against Zuffa with Nate Quarry and Carlos Newton
Stann - Announcing for The UFC
Sherk - dead and gone and decimated
Ludwig - peanut butter and UFC drama right here and now!
Hardy - Announcing for The UFC - EU
Almeida - dead and gone
Mike Brown - dead and gone and decimated

You don't leave the UFC with value, unless you continue to work for The UFC.

Otherwise, they squash you. You're a fighter? Then you are theirs for life or you are worthless.

That's their business plan.