Metamoris might be done for

[teamquestnorth]

Nah. They were signing exclusive long term grappling contracts. That's why Garry Tonnen went with EBI instead and Rogan pulled his support of Metamoris.

Idk about the long term BJJ competitors. They might have been duped into signing something like that.

Chael wouldn't sign anything like that. He's actually pretty smart and every move he does is pretty calculated.

I don't know his exact intentions but it seems like he's just biding his time and making a bit of money doing his espn thing until he can come back for a few big money fights

 

[Wild]

how many ppvs could they really sell? it is a straight up niche market .we are the hardcore combat sports fans and it is even a niche market amongst us.

20k is probably a pretty good event for them, I would think.

 

[teamquestnorth]

how many ppvs could they really sell? it is a straight up niche market .we are the hardcore combat sports fans and it is even a niche market amongst us.

I have no idea. I couldn't imagine it being more than 10k buys. Might be able to find out in the morning

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

Here's a more detailed post:

With rumors circulating the two-time Metamoris veteran in Tonon wouldn't be returning for the May card because of exclusivity restrictions, Tonon released a statement Monday explaining his position.

"There's been a lot of speculation about my participation, or lack thereof, in Metamoris 6," a portion of Tonon's statement reads. "I was asked to do Metamoris 6 competing against Joe Lauzon under the pretense that I would sign an exclusive contract with Metamoris. In my opinion, this offer neither benefited myself nor the growth of our sport. Thus, I declined the offer.

"There has also been speculation about other people signing exclusive contracts," Tonon's statement continues, "it is confirmed to me that Dillon Danis has signed one. It is not confirmed to me that Marcelo Mafra has signed one. As far as I know, his lack of participation in EBI could be for any number of reasons."

Metamoris, Garry Tonon and the truth about exclusive contracts in sport jiu-jitsu - MMA Fighting

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

how many ppvs could they really sell? it is a straight up niche market .we are the hardcore combat sports fans and it is even a niche market amongst us.

Shit. I never thought of us like that When I read 'hard core fans' I think they're talking about some other group of fat pimply nerds. Damn

 

[teamquestnorth]

They're definitely not in a position to be pressuring people into signing exclusive contracts.

They couldn't even pay the purses out from the last event.

We'll see how it plays out. I give them 4 months until they go belly up and people have to take the Gracie's to court to get paid.

 

[MoomBah]

Keep us updated. Last event was the first one i didnt buy and i dont plan on buying the next one after the whole EBI thing.

 

[Wild]

Here's a more detailed post:

With rumors circulating the two-time Metamoris veteran in Tonon wouldn't be returning for the May card because of exclusivity restrictions, Tonon released a statement Monday explaining his position.

"There's been a lot of speculation about my participation, or lack thereof, in Metamoris 6," a portion of Tonon's statement reads. "I was asked to do Metamoris 6 competing against Joe Lauzon under the pretense that I would sign an exclusive contract with Metamoris. In my opinion, this offer neither benefited myself nor the growth of our sport. Thus, I declined the offer.

"There has also been speculation about other people signing exclusive contracts," Tonon's statement continues, "it is confirmed to me that Dillon Danis has signed one. It is not confirmed to me that Marcelo Mafra has signed one. As far as I know, his lack of participation in EBI could be for any number of reasons."

Metamoris, Garry Tonon and the truth about exclusive contracts in sport jiu-jitsu - MMA Fighting

Why would any competitor sign that? It's not like Metamoris is the end all-be all of BJJ tournaments. Sounds to me like they got worried about competition from EBI, and started making stupid business decisions.

 

[ChaosOverkill]

The Gracie family could fuck up a one car parade.

 

[jason73]

Why would any competitor sign that? It's not like Metamoris is the end all-be all of BJJ tournaments. Sounds to me like they got worried about competition from EBI, and started making stupid business decisions.

its not like they can compete 3x a year and make a living off it either

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

I wondered why they closed the last event to the public and only a few press. Sounds like they couldn't afford to rent a venue so tried that avant guard bullgotdamnshit with muthafuckin drums instead of audience gasps and cheers.

 

[Hong Kong Phooey]

Saw a tweet from FRB a week or so ago, saying NONE of the competitors had been paid for the last event yet...so yeah, I can believe this. Didn't those dumbasses refuse to put the last event out on PPV stream?

i know one of the investors. He a good businessman but an opiated clown

 

[Robbie Hart]

They had the stream but it was in a empty gym with no fans. I basically wrote them off after that stupid decision.

Agree with this, what a genius idea......like watching mcgregor vs Mendes with no crowd........

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

Idk about the long term BJJ competitors. They might have been duped into signing something like that.

Chael wouldn't sign anything like that. He's actually pretty smart and every move he does is pretty calculated.

I don't know his exact intentions but it seems like he's just biding his time and making a bit of money doing his espn thing until he can come back for a few big money fights

I really enjoy typing with you but you seem to have some type of friendship/connection to Sonnen so in the vein of being The Trillest Bitch, I dislike him intensely and one day something is going to trigger my rage episode and I throw words to explode on contact. I hope you don't take it personal when I get vicious about your frand. Yes frand. But if you do, I might have to cry about it some, then let my hurt flourish into additional rage. The therapist says I need to own my hurt.

 

[Shy Guy]

EBI is the better product anyways.

The concept of Metamoris was cool but they needed some rule changes to deal with the amount of draws. The empty gym and terrible streaming service is what made me write them off.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Man that sucks, but is kind of expected with the empty gym thing for the last one and the exclusive contracts.

 

[teamquestnorth]

I really enjoy typing with you but you seem to have some type of friendship/connection to Sonnen so in the vein of being The Trillest Bitch, I dislike him intensely and one day something is going to trigger my rage episode and I throw words to explode on contact. I hope you don't take it personal when I get vicious about your frand. Yes frand. But if you do, I might have to cry about it some, then let my hurt flourish into additional rage. The therapist says I need to own my hurt.

I'm not friends with Chael

 

[Darqnezz]

20k is probably a pretty good event for them, I would think.

I though it had to be more than that. Then I remembered that Ralek pissed off all the ladies in the world before the event. Probably lost a ton of cash.

 

[Sweets]

Hopefully Chael vs Barnett happens. Chael subs him in under 5 minutes.

Shhhh silly troll Sonnen couldn't sub Barnett if he slipped him a ruffy before the fight..

 

[Priziesthorse]

Shhhh silly troll Sonnen couldn't sub Barnett if he slipped him a ruffy before the fight..

True. Barnett may not tap. Sonnen would just snap one of his limbs and the match would end that way.

 

[Kinosis]

I don't like Barnett vs Sonnen. Barnett hasn't fought any legit Heavy Weights so far, I was hoping he would get one finally.

 

[Priziesthorse]

I really enjoy typing with you but you seem to have some type of friendship/connection to Sonnen so in the vein of being The Trillest Bitch, I dislike him intensely and one day something is going to trigger my rage episode and I throw words to explode on contact. I hope you don't take it personal when I get vicious about your frand. Yes frand. But if you do, I might have to cry about it some, then let my hurt flourish into additional rage. The therapist says I need to own my hurt.

I love Sonnen! Lets have a good cry together.

 

[kneeblock]

It's sad to see another high profile avenue for grapplers to be able to support themselves bite the dust, but Ralek let his Gracie business sense override his common sense.

Exclusive contracts are the equivalent of when Rorion trademarked the Gracie name. It's grafting gross capitalist tendencies onto martial arts and the people who do that always seem to fail in the end even though they may enjoy temporary success. Ryron and Rener were pilloried for their online belt promotions, which are probably still going on, but definitely took a big PR hit. Lloyd Irvin's house of cards came tumbling down and he went into massive bankruptcy. IBJJF is seeing its market dominance of grappling tournaments start to get diluted by the rise of pro shows.

I support martial artists making a living, but when they subvert the values of the sport for hyper capitalism, they doom themselves to unsustainability.

 

[Sweets]

I don't like Barnett vs Sonnen. Barnett hasn't fought any legit Heavy Weights so far, I was hoping he would get one finally.

Dean Lister is fair heavy.

 

[Sweets]

True. Barnett may not tap. Sonnen would just snap one of his limbs and the match would end that way.

I don't even feed my dogs off the table.. Bad troll gets no scraps.