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[MovinOn]

The parent company has issued a statement on this matter:

Tim Hortons calls franchisees’ cuts to breaks and benefits ‘reckless’

TORONTO
The Canadian Press
Published 16 minutes ago

Tim Hortons' Canadian headquarters has waded into a brewing controversy stemming from this week's minimum wage hike in Ontario, calling the elimination of paid breaks and benefits for employees at certain locations "reckless."

In a letter to workers at two Tim Hortons restaurants in Cobourg, Ont., Ron Joyce Jr. and Jeri Horton-Joyce said that as of Jan. 1, staff would no longer be entitled to paid breaks, and would have to pay a portion of the costs for dental and health benefits to offset the $2.40 jump in the hourly minimum wage.

A statement from Tim Hortons released on Friday said the cuts "do not reflect the values of our brand, the views of our company or the views of the overwhelming majority of our dedicated and hardworking Restaurant Owners" and that staff "should never be used to further an agenda or be treated as just an 'expense."' The company didn't elaborate on what it would do to help franchisees as they transition to paying workers more after the minimum wage hike.

Premier Kathleen Wynne said on Thursday that if Joyce Jr. wants to challenge the Ontario government policy, he should come directly to her and not take it out on his workers.

Tim Hortons calls franchisees’ cuts to breaks and benefits ‘reckless’

 

[Gay For Longo]

Will anyone be boycotting Tim Horton's ?

Fuck no
French vanilla cappachino ftw

Hope the employees say fuck that to the owner and completely slow down service

I don't mind waiting, never in a rush

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Premier Kathleen Wynne said on Thursday that if Joyce Jr. wants to challenge the Ontario government policy, he should come directly to her and not take it out on his workers.

She must have forgotten about the time her party told small business owners to figure it out for themselves when they told her party they couldn't afford the raises.

 

[Hauler]

"What I think is really unfair, and where I think the bullying comes in, is that he's taking this out on his employees. He's behaving in a way that I think is so unfair to his employees, people who are trying to make ends meet."

They can go make ends meet at a better paying job.

If all the good workers leave and the service suffers enough to cause customers to shop elsewhere, Tim Horton's will likely decide they need to pay more to get a better employee.

Let the markets dictate pay. A person's pay should be reflective of the added value they provide the company. It shouldn't be dictated by the government and an idiotic group of mouth-breathers holding up $15 signs in front of a fucking McDonalds.

Entitlement is a disease that does nothing to promote the advancement of a society.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

If all the good workers leave and the service suffers enough to cause customers to shop elsewhere, Tim Horton's will likely decide they need to pay more to get a better employee.

The government is taking away people's incentive to do it. For the first time I can ever think of people entering into (or already working in) actual careers are making the same amount of money as people working entry level jobs.

 

[Greenbean]

They can go make ends meet at a better paying job.

If all the good workers leave and the service suffers enough to cause customers to shop elsewhere, Tim Horton's will likely decide they need to pay more to get a better employee.

Let the markets dictate pay. A person's pay should be dictated by effort and the added value they provide the company. It shouldn't be dictated by the government and an idiotic group of mouth-breathers holding up $15 signs in front of a fucking McDonalds.

Entitlement is a disease that does nothing to promote the advancement of a society.

They can go make ends meet at a better paying job.

If all the good workers leave and the service suffers enough to cause customers to shop elsewhere, Tim Horton's will likely decide they need to pay more to get a better employee.

Let the markets dictate pay. A person's pay should be dictated by effort and the added value they provide the company. It shouldn't be dictated by the government and an idiotic group of mouth-breathers holding up $15 signs in front of a fucking McDonalds.

Entitlement is a disease that does nothing to promote the advancement of a society.

Free market baby. Employees getting the shaft aren't losing much by finding another job if they're only making min wage anyway. No one is holding a gun to their heads to keep them employed at fookin Tim hortons making table scraps.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Free market baby. Employees getting the shaft aren't losing much by finding another job if they're only making min wage anyway. No one is holding a gun to their heads to keep them employed at fookin Tim hortons making table scraps.

Jobs that make a couple bucks more than minimum wage no longer exist.

 

[Greenbean]

Jobs that make a couple bucks more than minimum wage no longer exist.

Yes they do. But even if they didn't, do jobs that offer paid breaks and insurance not exist anymore either?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Yes they do.

No, they don't. People who were making 14 bucks an hour on Dec 31 didn't get a raise. Minimum wage went up 3 bucks an hour. That's a substantial hike.

But even if they didn't, do jobs that offer paid breaks and insurance not exist anymore either?

I can't speak for everywhere, but McDonald's for example doesn't pay for breaks (at least they didn't when I worked there). Insurance coverage varies widely.

 

[Greenbean]

No, they don't. People who were making 14 bucks an hour on Dec 31 didn't get a raise. Minimum wage went up 3 bucks an hour. That's a substantial hike.



I can't speak for everywhere, but McDonald's for example doesn't pay for breaks (at least they didn't when I worked there). Insurance coverage varies widely.

I'll almost compromise with you here because I'm not Canadian and I'm a bit out of my depth in regards to min wage law and the economy.... however I'm sure you can still find jobs paying a couple bucks more an hour. You could probably make that valeting between salary + tips and I'm sure many other places, but I digress because I'm not Canadian.

I think we're on the same side of the argument tbh though, just going by your other postings in the thread. I think time will tell how this all shakes out, but I'm not overly optimistic. I'm so happy to see people in this thread talking about cause and effect because it lets me know I'm among members who understand a raise for all doesn't translate into a fast track to utopia. It will have consequences and this is the first of many I believe.

The entire industry is going to need a restructuring and it's going to be interesting how the economy will adapt. I sincerely doubt the validity of claims made by Tim hortons that all other franchisees are behind the min wage hike. That would be absurd. To make up for this loss of profit, they will need to take a good hard look at their model and pricing if they want to entice more investors and continue to grow. What this means is anyone's guess, but there will be changes and someone will be getting screwed. And that could be a number of people. How will it effect the vendors? Will that need to be renegotiated? If it is, then what about farms who supply food vendors? It's not as simple as here's a 100k pay cut, deal with it and employees will now live happily ever after. This doesn't even touch the concerns of raising prices on the menu and devaluing the currency so their paycheck would potentially buy them less. It's a complicated issue.

 

[Banchan]

The parent company has issued a statement on this matter:

Tim Hortons calls franchisees’ cuts to breaks and benefits ‘reckless’

TORONTO
The Canadian Press
Published 16 minutes ago

Tim Hortons' Canadian headquarters has waded into a brewing controversy stemming from this week's minimum wage hike in Ontario, calling the elimination of paid breaks and benefits for employees at certain locations "reckless."

In a letter to workers at two Tim Hortons restaurants in Cobourg, Ont., Ron Joyce Jr. and Jeri Horton-Joyce said that as of Jan. 1, staff would no longer be entitled to paid breaks, and would have to pay a portion of the costs for dental and health benefits to offset the $2.40 jump in the hourly minimum wage.

A statement from Tim Hortons released on Friday said the cuts "do not reflect the values of our brand, the views of our company or the views of the overwhelming majority of our dedicated and hardworking Restaurant Owners" and that staff "should never be used to further an agenda or be treated as just an 'expense."' The company didn't elaborate on what it would do to help franchisees as they transition to paying workers more after the minimum wage hike.

Premier Kathleen Wynne said on Thursday that if Joyce Jr. wants to challenge the Ontario government policy, he should come directly to her and not take it out on his workers.

Tim Hortons calls franchisees’ cuts to breaks and benefits ‘reckless’

The store owners are unhappy about the parent company charging 100 percent more on everything that they paid when the Joyce and Horton family owned the franchise and wanted the parent company to be flexible on buying supplies from headquarters at a premium markup and directly from the distributors or lower the 10 percent royalty or let them raise prices. This was happening even before the minimum wage increase but the increase made that situation more difficult.

At the end of the day store owners are still making good money but It's become harder like most things. They invest alot of capitol to open a franchise so they expect significant gain for their risk. However the gains they get now are not the gains they made 15 years ago. Profit is up but they are working harder to make it because so are expenses connected to maintaining their licence and they're very unhappy about that.

Tldr rich people feeling pinch like the common man for the first time.

 

[Banchan]

She must have forgotten about the time her party told small business owners to figure it out for themselves when they told her party they couldn't afford the raises.

In other words she doesn't believe them.

 

[megatherium]

The heirs of the original founders of the Tim Horton's franchise reducing benefit coverage, paid breaks and off days to absorb costs of the minimum wage hike of $2.40 causing uproar on social media about the wealthy business owners being greedy.

Ontario's premier

"When I read the reports about Ron Joyce, Jr., who is a man whose family founded Tim Hortons, the chain was sold for billions of dollars, and when I read how he was treating his employees, it just felt to me like this was a pretty clear act of bullying," she said.

I'd be happy if this man were making a statement about the government or about the policy," she said. "What I think is really unfair, and where I think the bullying comes in, is that he's taking this out on his employees. He's behaving in a way that I think is so unfair to his employees, people who are trying to make ends meet."

'Clear act of bullying': Wynne slams Tim Hortons franchise owners for cutting staff benefits - Article - BNN

The situation is a bit complicated by the fact that Tim Horton's is a francise and the stores must charge certain amounts for their products and can't raise prices on their own. The head office has no plans to raise prices to offset the minimum wage increase and franchsees say they're being squeezed.

It's a bold move by these particular franchsees because they are the children of the original founders who sold the franchise business for billions of dollars making these particular franchsees heirs to a billionaire dollar fortune. The backlash is in part that these are super wealthy people squeezing poor people to offset the minimum wage. Maybe they did it because they could live with the dip in business from people boycotting their stores and the money isn't that big of a deal to these particular franchsees who chose to make a statement instead. Who is right or wrong here?

Huh? I thought Tim Horton founded Tim Horton;s and his family was swindled out of it after he died?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

In other words she doesn't believe them.

Of course she doesn't. She's a rich entitled politician with a 17% approval rating looking for reelection in 8 months.

 

[Banchan]

They can go make ends meet at a better paying job.

If all the good workers leave and the service suffers enough to cause customers to shop elsewhere, Tim Horton's will likely decide they need to pay more to get a better employee.

Let the markets dictate pay. A person's pay should be dictated by effort and the added value they provide the company. It shouldn't be dictated by the government and an idiotic group of mouth-breathers holding up $15 signs in front of a fucking McDonalds.

Entitlement is a disease that does nothing to promote the advancement of a society.

That's all brave and edgy of you but these sort of people are far more likely to fall on public services rather than get better paying jobs. This is sort of the socialist 's plan with all this. Raise the minimum wage and this lesson the burden on government assistance.

 

[megatherium]

The store owners are unhappy about the parent company charging 100 percent more on everything that they paid when the Joyce and Horton family owned the franchise and wanted the parent company to be flexible on buying supplies from headquarters at a premium markup and directly from the distributors or lower the 10 percent royalty or let them raise prices. This was happening even before the minimum wage increase but the increase made that situation more difficult.

At the end of the day store owners are still making good money but It's become harder like most things. They invest alot of capitol to open a franchise so they expect significant gain for their risk. However the gains they get now are not the gains they made 15 years ago. Profit is up but they are working harder to make it because so are expenses connected to maintaining their licence and they're very unhappy about that.

Tldr rich people feeling pinch like the common man for the first time.

Geez, how do you know so much about Canadian coffee franchises @Banchan ?

You're a smart little thing aren't you...

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Raise the minimum wage and this lesson the burden on government assistance.

Raising the minimum wage, will raise the burden on government assistance. That's the actual socialist plan. Make the public need the government.

 

[Banchan]

Huh? I thought Tim Horton founded Tim Horton;s and his family was swindled out of it after he died?

No they didn't have sole ownership. They were joint with Ronald Joyce but used Horton's name because it was recognizable. After Horton died Joyce paid the Horton family 1 million in 1974 which is alot of money for sole ownership of the franchise. It was really Joyce who made Tim Horton's what it is. Horton's daughter is married to Joyce's son. Joyce sold the franchise for 11 billion to 3G. People assume that happened because 1 million Isn't alot of money compared to 11 billion but you have to remember that Tim Horton's was still a mom and pop string of coffee shops at the time and 1 million was a lot of money in the early seventies.

 

[Greenbean]

Tldr rich people feeling pinch like the common man for the first time.

The rich man has the means and know how to alleviate the pinch at the expense of the worker. When you see the means exhausted, look for the company closing stores because the money will go elsewhere and employment will then suffer as a result. Until then, enjoy your meal served via automation or by the absolute bottom of the barrel that doesn't know how to spell egg sandwich let alone make one with the egg residing between the bread.

 

[megatherium]

@Banchan I've always had a thing for smart Oriental women and your business savvy frankly excites me.

I feel like it's almost time for ding dong.



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[Banchan]

The rich man has the means and know how to alleviate the pinch at the expense of the worker. When you see the means exhausted, look for the company closing stores because the money will go elsewhere and employment will then suffer as a result. Until then, enjoy your meal served via automation or by the absolute bottom of the barrel that doesn't know how to spell egg sandwich let alone make one with the egg residing between the bread.

That's going to happen anyway regardless if the minimum wage goes up or stays the same.

 

[Banchan]

Raising the minimum wage, will raise the burden on government assistance. That's the actual socialist plan. Make the public need the government.

Do people who currently make $14 h full time eligible for social assistance? No. That's all Wynne cares about.

 

[Greenbean]

That's going to happen anyway regardless if the minimum wage goes up or stays the same.

Yeah, no argument here. But where do you stand on the min wage hike? Will it all be all rainbows and unicorns?

 

[member 1013]

Their coffee sux

 

[member 1013]

The government is taking away people's incentive to do it. For the first time I can ever think of people entering into (or already working in) actual careers are making the same amount of money as people working entry level jobs.

Not me

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