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Lord Vutulaki

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Check the old thread where we are looking at the poll internals.

They were all bullshit. The only good polls showed a neck and neck race with a chance for an electoral win. Then follow that with the increased Trump pace at the end and the Hillary hiding away. It was always going to be a neck and neck race and it was a change year with a terrible Dem candidate.

The bad polls, many many.... All were based on over sampling Dems at rates higher than Obama Dem turn out in 2008. You really thought Hillary was gonna pull that turnout as the Dems are dying (becoming independents)?? Not a damn chance.
You could have explained that on a few different levels but you're a smart cunt. TLDR; Well said.
 

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There are rioters throughout the city. (I'd call them protesters - but once you cross the line and become destructive your movement is no longer political). Arrests are at around 100 right now. Rocks have been thrown at police. Windows to storefronts have been broken. Areas have been blocked by demonstrators to prevent access by people wishing to see the ceremonies.

It's pretty sad, but not all that surprising.
Whether you like Trump or not , we live in dangerous times and we should be very careful. Same thing going on here since the "Brexit", lots of left city folk disagreeing with more conservative people from out in the country who rarely ever had a voice before..in both cases the majority spoke and in both the end result is treated as the worst case scenario, the one we should avoid etc, but in the end, the essence of democracy is at stake right now, because when people decide which vote matters and which doesn't, when they were especially shown to be a minority in the decision, or in the brexit case when people say "oh you know, we voted so this would happen, but don't do it", is a very dangerous precedent...a spanner to throw in the general workings of democracy. I personally don't like Trump (other than the comedy he brings) or would have been with the brexit if I was asked, but this is the choice made by the people who had the right to make it and everyone should respect that for the sake of the modern political system (at least if you want one, I'm kind of impartial to it since it sucks). I'd rather the US have 4 bad years, than the rest of its years being some kind of weird feudarchy.

In fact a choice like that represents most the will of the people than most recent choices in both countries, in the general sense that it was a decision against the norm, the system that everyone is kind of dissatisfied by and one the media was backing strongly. So it is truly odd that such a democratic result would result to such a shitstorm.
 
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Whether you like Trump or not , we live in dangerous times and we should be very careful. Same thing going on here since the "Brexit", lots of left city folk disagreeing with more conservative people from out in the country who rarely ever had a voice before..in both cases the majority spoke and in both the end result is treated as the worst case scenario, the one we should avoid etc, but in the end, the essence of democracy is at stake right now, because when people decide which vote matters and which doesn't, when they were especially shown to be a minority in the decision, or in the brexit case when people say "oh you know, we voted so this would happen, but don't do it", is a very dangerous precedent...a spanner to throw in the general workings of democracy. I personally don't like Trump (other than the comedy he brings) or would have been with the brexit if I was asked, but this is the choice made by the people who had the right to make it and everyone should respect that for the sake of the modern political system (at least if you want one, I'm kind of impartial to it since it sucks). I'd rather the US have 4 bad years, than the rest of its years being some kind of weird feudarchy.

In fact a choice like that represents most the will of the people than most recent choices in both countries, in the sense that the general sense that it was a decision against the norm, the system that everyone is kind of dissatisfied by and one the media was backing strongly. So it is truly odd that such a democratic result would result to such a shitstorm.
im with you in that its a scary time in terms of what rogue people might do, but i cant jump on board the train that people should support whoever wins simply bc the majority voted for that person. just because their candidate doesnt win doesnt mean they need to change their views on what is right/wrong and good/bad for the long-term health of the Earth, America, and the world as a whole

a significant portion of the population disagrees with the policies that Trump has been promoting. hell, a significant portion disagreed with the policies that even Clinton was proposing. being able to protest is crucial to a free country. i hope the protests continue as long as there are people out there who disagree. i hate to envision a world where people just sit back and give up on their beliefs (or are scared to voice them)
 

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im with you in that its a scary time in terms of what rogue people might do, but i cant jump on board the train that people should support whoever wins simply bc the majority voted for that person. just because their candidate doesnt win doesnt mean they need to change their views on what is right/wrong and good/bad for the long-term health of the Earth, America, and the world as a whole

a significant portion of the population disagrees with the policies that Trump has been promoting. hell, a significant portion disagreed with the policies that even Clinton was proposing. being able to protest is crucial to a free country. i hope the protests continue as long as there are people out there who disagree. i hate to envision a world where people just sit back and give up on their beliefs (or are scared to voice them)
Not saying they should change views or support him, just respect the majority decision, it is the essence of democracy. Everyone gets to speak, people vote and a decision is made.

Protest is also a fundamental right in a democracy, but redo-ing elections or referendums because the result is not what you wanted is not. The fact that it was a choice between, as south park put it: a douche and a turd sandwich is a big flaw in the way the modern political system works..not sure what can be done to fix that, but I didn't see that many marches/protests demanding better representation really, it is the public that resigned to the fact that this is the way things should be and made a decision accordingly.
 

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Not saying they should change views or support him, just respect the majority decision, it is the essence of democracy. Everyone gets to speak, people vote and a decision is made.

Protest is also a fundamental right in a democracy, but redo-ing elections or referendums because the result is not what you wanted is not. The fact that it was a choice between, as south park put it: a douche and a turd sandwich is a big flaw in the way the modern political system works..not sure what can be done to fix that, but I didn't see that many marches/protests demanding better representation really, it is the public that resigned to the fact that this is the way things should be and made a decision accordingly.
i like what you are saying. and i sometimes lean this way, but not in this moment lol

its highly unlikely that they are going to out Trump or any US political leader in this day and age (by peaceful or violent protest). but if someone believes that the president is not fit for the job, i support their right to voice that for all 4 years if thats how they want to spend their time

im with you in that one of the many places there are flaws is in the election process. so personally, i wish these people would direct their efforts in ways that may actually create change.

but at the end of the day, i am not happy about SO many things about the process, current policies, and proposed agendas... and im not doing shit besides loving life =) so i commend them for at least trying to do something, as futile as it probably is
 

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Not saying they should change views or support him, just respect the majority decision, it is the essence of democracy. Everyone gets to speak, people vote and a decision is made.

Protest is also a fundamental right in a democracy, but redo-ing elections or referendums because the result is not what you wanted is not. The fact that it was a choice between, as south park put it: a douche and a turd sandwich is a big flaw in the way the modern political system works..not sure what can be done to fix that, but I didn't see that many marches/protests demanding better representation really, it is the public that resigned to the fact that this is the way things should be and made a decision accordingly.
I've been cultivating my shyloking style. While being in war mode cause the rich cants always set idiots off.
 

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i like what you are saying. and i sometimes lean this way, but not in this moment lol

its highly unlikely that they are going to out Trump or any US political leader in this day and age (by peaceful or violent protest). but if someone believes that the president is not fit for the job, i support their right to voice that for all 4 years if thats how they want to spend their time

im with you in that one of the many places there are flaws is in the election process. so personally, i wish these people would direct their efforts in ways that may actually create change.

but at the end of the day, i am not happy about SO many things about the process, current policies, and proposed agendas... and im not doing shit besides loving life =) so i commend them for at least trying to do something, as futile as it probably is
The thing is things can always get worse and people with every day lives will eventually experience that. It requires something huge to get a lot of people riled up, and even then that requires persistence. Look at greece as an example, so many protests, people voted on a referendum, voted no to the EU referendum, EU said you can't do that (meanwhile laying the brexit foundation) the government (which was backing this vote) decided to just ignore it in the end..meanwhile conditions are simply getting worse and now protests have been going on so long they've become a cliche and nothing is expected to change...not a single thing. Eventually the simple man is beaten down...until things get better and the middle class starts demanding more....but historically that comes way later and usually after large wars, which makes complex political times like this much scarier.
 

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The thing is things can always get worse and people with every day lives will eventually experience that. It requires something huge to get a lot of people riled up, and even then that requires persistence. Look at greece as an example, so many protests, people voted on a referendum, voted no to the EU referendum, EU said you can't do that (meanwhile laying the brexit foundation) the government (which was backing this vote) decided to just ignore it in the end..meanwhile conditions are simply getting worse and now protests have been going on so long they've become a cliche and nothing is expected to change...not a single thing. Eventually the simple man is beaten down...until things get better and the middle class starts demanding more....but historically that comes way later and usually after large wars, which makes complex political times like this much scarier.
Solid point regarding constant protests making us numb to them, and thus, weakening their impact
 
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Of course Trump supporters were prepared with a fire extinguisher


 

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Trump about to speak live at CIA headquarters. Step one in cleaning up the mess of an election we just finished.

 

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What is the Women's March about? What rights are they losing? The fuck are they so angry about?
 

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What is the Women's March about? What rights are they losing? The fuck are they so angry about?
It's just that time of month. am I allowed to say that? I'm jk

There might be specific things tho. Does trump want to defund planned parenthood?