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seekntruth

seekntruth

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Zeph said:
Republicans just spent a whole election lambasting the Democratic candidate for being careless with information, rightfully so. Now Trump is doing it. To not call him out on it as well is hypocritical.
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Lol, to compare the carelessness of Killary and her private server of thousands upon thousands of state department emails to your opinion of one unsubstantiated trump action is rich. A proven conspiracy to one piece of intelligence...Are you trolling?
 
IschKabibble

IschKabibble

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It's clear you are trying really, really hard to get this story into the mix, why dont you start a thread about it?
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Ask the powers that be to make a political sub-forum and I'll consider it. Too many unnecessary political threads in off-topic as it is.
 
IschKabibble

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being careless with information ... Now Trump is doing it. To not call him out on it as well is hypocritical.
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What were they supposed to be talking about in that meeting? Just greet each other and exchange empty pleasantries? If Israel gave US intelligence on ISIS, that intelligence becomes US intelligence. And the president has every right to share that information with whomever he pleases as he's the leader of the executive branch. He can classify and declassify at will.

There is absolutely no comparison between this and Hillary hiding her communications on private equipment.

 
IschKabibble

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Putin offers transcript to prove Trump did not pass Russia secrets

Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday that U.S. President Donald Trump had not divulged any secrets during a meeting in Washington with Russian officials and offered to prove it by supplying Congress with a transcript.

But a leading U.S. Republican politician said he would have little faith in any notes Putin might supply.

Two U.S. officials said on Monday Trump had disclosed classified information about a planned Islamic State operation to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov when they met last week, plunging the White House into a fresh controversy just four months into Trump's tenure.

Trump, whose administration has been dogged by allegations that Russia helped him win the White House and that he and his allies are too cozy with Moscow, has defended his decision to discuss intelligence with the Russians after media reports of the meeting alarmed some U.S. and foreign politicians.

President Putin deployed his trademark sarcasm on Wednesday to make clear he thought the accusation that Trump had divulged secrets absurd.

"I spoke to him (Lavrov) today," a smiling Putin told a news conference with Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni in the Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi.

"I'll be forced to issue him (Lavrov) with a reprimand because he did not share these secrets with us. Not with me, nor with representatives of Russia's intelligence services. It was very bad of him."

Putin, who still hopes Moscow can repair battered ties with the United States despite a deepening political scandal in the United States related to Trump's purported Russia ties, said Moscow had rated Lavrov's meeting with Trump highly.

If the Trump administration deemed it appropriate, Putin said Russia could hand over a transcript of Trump's meeting with Lavrov to U.S. lawmakers to reassure them that no secrets were revealed.

Putin offers transcript to prove Trump did not pass Russia secrets
 
Shinkicker

Shinkicker

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Zeph said:
He was extremely careless with classified information that was shared by an ally. He didn't consult with them before sharing the information and jeopardized those agreements in the future. If other countries feel like they cannot trust the U.S. President to handle information they will think twice about sharing that information in the future.
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The only reason other countries know about it is because of the "leaker".
 
Zeph

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IschKabibble said:
What were they supposed to be talking about in that meeting? Just greet each other and exchange empty pleasantries? If Israel gave US intelligence on ISIS, that intelligence becomes US intelligence. And the president has every right to share that information with whomever he pleases as he's the leader of the executive branch. He can classify and declassify at will.

There is absolutely no comparison between this and Hillary hiding her communications on private equipment.

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That's not how information sharing between intelligence agencies work. When intel is shared with you it is customary, and often written into the sharing deals in the first place, that the agency that shares the information still owns that information and to share it with someone else needs their permission. What happened is a big no-no, and Israeli intel agents have already said this is their 'worst fear confirmed'.
 
Zeph

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The only reason other countries know about it is because of the "leaker".
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There are different amounts of information available to the public and the president. It takes a certain level of knowledge to work out where the information came from. Regardless, according to Erick Erickson the leaker is a Republican that is fed up with the inability to use constructive criticism with the president and now sees leaks as the only means left of adjusting his behaviour. The issue here is sharing intelligence without permission from the agency that owns that information.
 
Zeph

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IschKabibble said:
Did you watch the video? And do you care to form an opinion on what he said two weeks ago versus what he claims to have jotted in a memo months prior?

A bit of a contradiction, no?
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Not really he says in that he hasn't been ordered to end the investigation, which is consistent with the memo in which Trump 'asks can you end it?'. The question he's asked is also about a specific individual at the Department of Justice, not the President.
 
Shinkicker

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Zeph said:
There are different amounts of information available to the public and the president. It takes a certain level of knowledge to work out where the information came from. Regardless, according to Erick Erickson the leaker is a Republican that is fed up with the inability to use constructive criticism with the president and now sees leaks as the only means left of adjusting his behaviour. The issue here is sharing intelligence without permission from the agency that owns that information.
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
Shinkicker

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Zeph said:
There are different amounts of information available to the public and the president. It takes a certain level of knowledge to work out where the information came from. Regardless, according to Erick Erickson the leaker is a Republican that is fed up with the inability to use constructive criticism with the president and now sees leaks as the only means left of adjusting his behaviour. The issue here is sharing intelligence without permission from the agency that owns that information.
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I call bullshit on this. If true, why wouldn't the leaker state by what means they tried to handle it before going to the press? They tell every fucking thing else.
Lol
 
Shinkicker

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Zeph said:
Not really he says in that he hasn't been ordered to end the investigation, which is consistent with the memo in which Trump 'asks can you end it?'. The question he's asked is also about a specific individual at the Department of Justice, not the President.
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He also says that if he were asked to end an investigation because of political reasons then that would be a big deal. And he says that hasn't happened.
 
Zeph

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Shinkicker said:
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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True, but there have always been leaks in government, there always will be, and often times it's in the public's interest to know the things that are leaked. It's part of having a free press which holds government to account and keeps a democracy healthy. The crackdown on whistleblowers by Obama was terrible.
 
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