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Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
Not at all, but you might want to suss out the claims of a person who works in a very specific and politically/financially influenced field though. Particularly when they're being quoted by a notoriously biased news outlet.



Let's assume I have no idea what I'm talking about. Would you believe the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists?
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How does that further your claim IUD terminate pregnancies after they have been conceived?
 
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Splinty said:
nah son

I stopped reading this thread 100+ pages ago. Unless you guys have Jeb memes, title changes are just from current headlines
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So what you’re saying is there is no moderation ITT and to post scat porn?
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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MC Gusto said:
No, they create an environment in which the sperm is unable to fertilize the egg.
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That's part of what they do. The reason they can be used as emergency contraception is that they won't allow a fertilized egg to attach to the uterus.
 
Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
That's part of what they do. The reason they can be used as emergency contraception is that they won't allow a fertilized egg to attach to the uterus.
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So some people use the product in a way it wast developed for doesn't mean it was designed as a birth control that 'induces abortions'.

The IUD was developed to create an environment that wont allow a sperm to successfully make it to the egg, if people decide to use it for alternate motives, that's on them.

Should we move our discussion onto depo-shots as a form of birth control that also doesn't force an abortion or involve conception of a fertilized egg?
 
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MC Gusto said:
So some people use the product in a way it wast developed for, doesn't mean it is designed as a birth control that induces abortions.
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but it can be used in that way, and is listed to doctors as an option to the morning after pill by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

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Should we move our discussion onto depo-shots as a form of birth control that also doesn't involve conception of a fertilized egg?
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Depo shots also effect the uterine wall. To the point where many women on it will get little or no period. They actually use this as a selling feature of the drug. We can do this until the cows come home, but the idea that birth control just inhibits the sperm's journey is a fallacy. Conversely symptothermal method yields results about the same as any birth control on the market.
 
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Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
but it can be used in that way, and is listed to doctors as an option to the morning after pill by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.



Depo shots also effect the uterine wall. To the point where many women on it will get little or no period. They actually use this as a selling feature of the drug. We can do this until the cows come home, but the idea that birth control just inhibits the sperm's journey is a fallacy.
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You're talking the freak side effects of a product.

Over 99% of the time, the sperm doesn't make it to the egg.

Less than 00.07% of the time that it does, and even less of the time when the conception is viable, may fail because of a weakened state of the uterine wall. 00.07% is often less than the unit of the standard deviation rate for error.

To claim birth control, such as IUDs and Depo-Shots are abortion inducing drugs is false.

Should we label all drugs that may have a insignificantly negative impact on a conceived egg as abortion inducing drugs?
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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MC Gusto said:
To claim birth control, such as IUDs and Depo-Shots are abortion inducing drugs is false.
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No. As I said at the outset, it's technically correct. The things I've pointed out to you about how they impact the uterus always happen. They aren't a "freak side effect" that happens once in a blue moon.

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Should we label all drugs that may have a insignificantly negative impact on a conceived egg as abortion inducing drugs?
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We already label things that may effect pregnancy. Ironically, people in general seem to know less about how birth control works than just about anything else we would choose to put into our bodies.
 
Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
They aren't a "freak side effect" that happens once in a blue moon.
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Once in 00.07% at most, is once in a blue moon.

Lets not forget, these 'pregnancy rates' are not based off 100 subjects but instead pregnancy rates based off a 10 year study. So over ten years of usage of birth control, only less than one percent result in what you are describing as abortion inducing drugs.
 
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MC Gusto said:
Once in 00.07% at most, is once in a blue moon.

Lets not forget, these 'pregnancy rates' are not based off 100 subjects but instead pregnancy rates based off a 10 year study. So over ten years of usage of birth control, only less than one tenth of a percent result in what you are describing as abortion inducing drugs.
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Well, the uterus gets fucked with whether the sperm is inhibited or not. So it's a blue moon scenario that the sperm makes it through, it isn't a blue moon scenario that the uterus is effectively barren.

Of course even if we ignore that for a minute. By your own post, in less than a tenth of a percent, it even meets your own definition of "abortion inducing". So I reiterate; he's not wrong.
 
Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
Well, the uterus gets fucked with whether the sperm is inhibited or not. So it's a blue moon scenario that the sperm makes it through, it isn't a blue moon scenario that the uterus is effectively barren.

Of course even if we ignore that for a minute. By your own post, in less than a tenth of a percent, it even meets your own definition of "abortion inducing". So I reiterate; he's not wrong.
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So you feel confident in saying something that is correlated to 00.07% of cases is safe to be labelled as a causation?
 
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MC Gusto said:
Less than one tee

So you feel confident in saying something that is correlated to 00.07% of cases is safe to be labelled as a causation?
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That was your statement, not mine.

At this point it has been explained to you at length why you're wrong. You've even acknowledged that birth control doesn't have the same effects you thought it did and now you're going full strawman. At this point I'm removing myself from this conversation because it's very clear that your political identity is going to prevent you from having an honest conversation.
 
jasonhightower

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MC Gusto said:
No, they create an environment in which the sperm is unable to fertilize the egg.
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This seems like whiskey would also fall under the definition of birth control according to some. I mean whiskey dick is a real thing.
 
Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
At this point it has been explained to you at length why you're wrong. You've even acknowledged that birth control doesn't have the same effects you thought it did and now you're going full strawman. At this point I'm removing myself from this conversation because it's very clear that your political identity is going to prevent you from having an honest conversation.
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The discussion revolved around your support for the claim, birth control was an abortion inducing drug.

Pregnancy doesn't happen until a viable fertilized egg has implanted and started to divide. No where near all fertilized eggs result in pregnancy. It is extremely unlikley for a female to get pregnant while on birth control being used properly and as intended. It is even more extremely unlikely for the hypothetical fertilized egg is viable and able to survive long enough to start to divide. Life isnt created as soon as the sperm meets an egg, the medical community & research is very clear on this.

And if you want to circle it back to your contraceptives vs birth control argument.. All contraceptives are a form of birth control.
 
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