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Ok, this concern trolling has been fun, but you don't give af about anything Bernie has tried to do and have opposed it and him from jump, so I'm not really sure why you'd bother trying to pivot to this argument when we have literal years of an archive of your statements, particularly when Bernie himself has made the exact opposite argument.
Electoralism was never what Bernie's campaign was predominantly about, though plenty got seduced by success prior to Super Tuesday. It was about building a movement to hold Democratic and Republicans alike who endorse corporatist policies over the lives of working people. The vote is a technical procedure at this point and as an actual American with actual stakes in this election and personal stakes in the crisis, I find the faux moralizing about team sports pretty disingenuous and lame.
Are you sure that you don't have a solid year and a half of posts where I advocating for DNC candidates whom will rattle the cage of the establishment?
That doesn't happen when Bernie's supporters throw their campaign behind the DNC's establishment candidates. Biden loves him some corporatist policies, anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
Everyone in western society has personal stakes in this. Western democracy is broken and needs an overhaul; by consistently backing the establishment that we all should oppose regardless of our political leanings it's simply never going to get fixed. Until of course it implodes on itself and China, Russia, etc swoop in and collect the rubble while we try to sort out what happened. But instead we're getting team sports masked by lazy rationalizations. You know who would be the best people to deal with the current epidemic we're facing? Tulsi and Yang, that's who. And where are they? Sitting at home because Joey Joe and Hillary didn't like the cut of their jib.
Just out of curiosity... What do you think the Bernie supporters should do in the upcoming election?
Vote for Joe?
Vote for Trump?
Not vote at all which would most likely aid Trump?
Vote for Green or Libertarian?
Other?
Find an appropriate 3rd party and throw their support behind it. You want to make a statement about the direction of the party? Cripple it. Biden is going to be taken to the woodshed anyways, so do we want to fix this shit, or do we want a repeat of 2016?
Since we're speaking strictly in the hypothetical anyway... Let's say polling is looking neck and neck with Biden v. Trump. Biden ahead in a lot of the battleground purple states. Still vote 3rd party or try to get Trump out and deal with the friendlier of the shit choices?
He can't vote in the election.
He can vote in my hypothetical election.
I'm genuinely just trying to figure out what is the most important for people in general.
Is it to vote on your morals and ethics for someone you believe in? Is it voting in a way to aid in the expedient destruction of the Democratic Party as it currently stands? Is it getting Trump out? Is it your "team" in the most vague of terms winning the most important? Is casting a vote of dissent for all more important?
Now if you can't have what you want then what is your backup?
For me personally its the same thing I did last time, for the presidential election write in Harambe, for all other positions being voted on, vote for who I think is the best, no matter the party.
3rd party.
There's a time to vote strategically, and there's a time to vote your conscience. In 2016, in an eerily similar scenario to your hypothetical, DNC supporters plugged their nose and voted for Hillary. The end result of that was eating a big old shit sandwich. Now, confronted with the same situation will DNC supporters do the same thing and expect a different result?
Bernie was the appropriate third party, but he refused to play the game and got railroaded because of it.
Picked them off one at a time until he was the last one, then they DNC'ed him too.
He just says what he wants to be true. He does not live in reality.
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Good way to move the news cycle off the last couple days and press conferences.
Way to deflect,fucknut. Not saying borders should be all gaping open but haven't we got more pressing issues to worry about right now?
@Willthiswork I wasn't calling you the fucknut
While everyone at the poker table is arguing over the pot, he's taking a card from the bottom of the deck and sliding it into his hand.
Pretty sly for an orange guy.
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Never Bideners = "The Democratic Party will never care about anything we have to say. They would rather let Trump win than bow to any of our demands."
Also Never Bideners = "We have to not vote for Biden as a protest vote. Then they will listen to us."
So many useful idiots on the social democrat left now. They're running interference for Trump like they are playing in the Superbowl. Republican strategists jacking off right now. Imagine a President going into an election with a likely 10-15% unemployment rate and being the odds on favorite to still win. It's madness.
Also Never Bideners = "We have to not vote for Biden as a protest vote. Then they will listen to us."
So many useful idiots on the social democrat left now. They're running interference for Trump like they are playing in the Superbowl. Republican strategists jacking off right now. Imagine a President going into an election with a likely 10-15% unemployment rate and being the odds on favorite to still win. It's madness.
Most World Leaders See Approval Ratings Surge Amid Coronavirus. Not Trump.
Trump's approval rating is going backwards while most leaders are enjoying a coronavirus honeymoon.
He's not successfully deflecting at all right now. If he just shut the fuck up, he'd be doing way better. This trick isn't going to work either - too much coronavirus noise will drown it out.
Borders are already closed. Visa offices are closed. Is immigration not already basically shut down?
See the issue is this is mostly nihilistic politics. You don't "find" a third party and throw your support behind it. You build one. Crippling an edifice first without having built something in advance to fill the vacuum is not how history has ever worked, whether you're talking about social movements or revolution. There have been a few moments like this where empires and states have gradually fallen apart over time that we only can narrate in this way if we speed time up and paper over a lot of details. Here in the US, the Whigs were the last major party to fall apart, but only after the Republicans had built up local support across the country and attracted antislavery Democrats and Whigs alike to their new party. Electorally crippling a party isn't a political strategy. It's just redistributing power to others already in the system. Either way, I like that you're hilariously starting to sound like a tankie.