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BeardOfKnowledge

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Yeah I guess that's probably just because you guys haven't spent the money on testing supplies? And now they're having to ration them?
We have a really high vaccination rate when they made the decision. It seemed like we were going to just be living with covid going forward when the announcement was made on Friday.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Biden disapproval up to 60%, LoL
I decided to do a little looking around because disapproval ratings are usually misreported. Anyways, I went to real clear politics which is a poll aggregator. Right now they have Biden at an average of 53.9 disapproval. For reference Trump was 53.1 for the year of 2020. Lol.
 
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We have a really high vaccination rate when they made the decision. It seemed like we were going to just be living with covid going forward when the announcement was made on Friday.

Yeah I very much disagree with that. I mean we are probably one wave away from that being true.

But you can look at the heterogeneous omicron areas in the United States and see the areas that still have too many hospitalizations for the cases to be omicron. Or the early data on omicron is not applicable to some of these populations. So we aren't quite there yet in either variant dominance or good data and modeling on resource utilization for omicron.

But more. I'm thinking that if they announced it then they must have considered this and probably done some bureaucratic deliberation ahead of time. Meaning they were making this decision probably at an even worse time than now.

Playing down omicron is nothing because it's a lower individual risk. Really ignores how hard it is going to be to model hospitalizations. If at the same time you have case spread. You also have people changing activities that are higher risk for infection because they think it's nothing. Societal risk remains high. And there's every reason to believe you just need to hang tight for one more wave and try not to be in the mix while everyone else is getting sick.
 

jason73

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Yeah I very much disagree with that. I mean we are probably one wave away from that being true.

But you can look at the heterogeneous omicron areas in the United States and see the areas that still have too many hospitalizations for the cases to be omicron. Or the early data on omicron is not applicable to some of these populations. So we aren't quite there yet in either variant dominance or good data and modeling on resource utilization for omicron.

But more. I'm thinking that if they announced it then they must have considered this and probably done some bureaucratic deliberation ahead of time. Meaning they were making this decision probably at an even worse time than now.

Playing down omicron is nothing because it's a lower individual risk. Really ignores how hard it is going to be to model hospitalizations. If at the same time you have case spread. You also have people changing activities that are higher risk for infection because they think it's nothing. Societal risk remains high. And there's every reason to believe you just need to hang tight for one more wave and try not to be in the mix while everyone else is getting sick.
 
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Yeah I very much disagree with that. I mean we are probably one wave away from that being true.

But you can look at the heterogeneous omicron areas in the United States and see the areas that still have too many hospitalizations for the cases to be omicron. Or the early data on omicron is not applicable to some of these populations. So we aren't quite there yet in either variant dominance or good data and modeling on resource utilization for omicron.

But more. I'm thinking that if they announced it then they must have considered this and probably done some bureaucratic deliberation ahead of time. Meaning they were making this decision probably at an even worse time than now.

Playing down omicron is nothing because it's a lower individual risk. Really ignores how hard it is going to be to model hospitalizations. If at the same time you have case spread. You also have people changing activities that are higher risk for infection because they think it's nothing. Societal risk remains high. And there's every reason to believe you just need to hang tight for one more wave and try not to be in the mix while everyone else is getting sick.
 
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Yeah I very much disagree with that. I mean we are probably one wave away from that being true.

But you can look at the heterogeneous omicron areas in the United States and see the areas that still have too many hospitalizations for the cases to be omicron. Or the early data on omicron is not applicable to some of these populations. So we aren't quite there yet in either variant dominance or good data and modeling on resource utilization for omicron.

But more. I'm thinking that if they announced it then they must have considered this and probably done some bureaucratic deliberation ahead of time. Meaning they were making this decision probably at an even worse time than now.

Playing down omicron is nothing because it's a lower individual risk. Really ignores how hard it is going to be to model hospitalizations. If at the same time you have case spread. You also have people changing activities that are higher risk for infection because they think it's nothing. Societal risk remains high. And there's every reason to believe you just need to hang tight for one more wave and try not to be in the mix while everyone else is getting sick.
I know you're not an epidemiologist, but do you have any rough figures on hospitalization rates for the unvaccinated who catch Omicron compared to what they were with the unvaccinated who caught Delta and Alpha?
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Yeah I very much disagree with that. I mean we are probably one wave away from that being true.

But you can look at the heterogeneous omicron areas in the United States and see the areas that still have too many hospitalizations for the cases to be omicron. Or the early data on omicron is not applicable to some of these populations. So we aren't quite there yet in either variant dominance or good data and modeling on resource utilization for omicron.

But more. I'm thinking that if they announced it then they must have considered this and probably done some bureaucratic deliberation ahead of time. Meaning they were making this decision probably at an even worse time than now.

Playing down omicron is nothing because it's a lower individual risk. Really ignores how hard it is going to be to model hospitalizations. If at the same time you have case spread. You also have people changing activities that are higher risk for infection because they think it's nothing. Societal risk remains high. And there's every reason to believe you just need to hang tight for one more wave and try not to be in the mix while everyone else is getting sick.
Have you tried just whining about the left-wing media while knowing absolutely zero about virology or disaster response, though?

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I know you're not an epidemiologist, but do you have any rough figures on hospitalization rates for the unvaccinated who catch Omicron compared to what they were with the unvaccinated who caught Delta and Alpha?

Here's a reasonable analysis by an actual epidemiologist



Here's the early south Africa data which were all waiting to see if holds true here...


Of 971 patients admitted in wave 4, 24.2% were vaccinated, 66.4% were unvaccinated, and vaccination status was unknown for 9.4%.
Interestingly they admit a lot more than we do here.

So let's look at something we would admit. If you need oxygen you're getting admitted.


The proportion of patients requiring oxygen therapy significantly decreased ( 17.6% in wave 4 vs 74% in wave 3, P < .001) as did the percentage receiving mechanical ventilation (Table 2). Admission to intensive care was 18.5% in wave 4 vs 29.9% in wave 3 (P < .001).
Granted it's for all comers but 17% needing oxygen instead of 74%. That's huge. But not nothing.

There's a UK, Singapore, and Israeli study Worth reviewing and posting for my mobile and having tough time copy and pasting other journal articles so I'm going to pause for now.
 

Thuglife13

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I decided to do a little looking around because disapproval ratings are usually misreported. Anyways, I went to real clear politics which is a poll aggregator. Right now they have Biden at an average of 53.9 disapproval. For reference Trump was 53.1 for the year of 2020. Lol.
Real Clear Politics is probably the best "neutral" website when it comes to polls but let's be honest, polls are about 75% skewed postively towards the Democrats so I can only imagine Joey Biden's true disapproval numbers...
 

Hauler

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850,000 of your fellow citizens are very impressed by what a tough guy you are, but they don't agree with this statement.

Because they can't, because covid fucking killed them. ?

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2 different scenarios.

The 1st wave caught us by surprise and the hospitals were overwhelmed. Fine. Mandate the shutdown to try and slow the spread so the hospitals can catch up.

The Omicron "wave" is a joke.

And it's not about being tough, it's about being intelligent. Vaccinations are all well and good, but treat the sickness when people get symptoms. The continued focus of vaccines, vaccines, vaccines is just...odd. 70% of Americans are vaxed. I'm sorry if the pharmaceutical companies won't make as much money, but enough with this shit. Treat the illness.

And I know you are smart enough to know that Covid deaths and over-represented. Are they distinguishing between "Died with Covid" and "Died of Covid" yet? No, they aren't. The numbers are bullshit.
 

Filthy

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I decided to do a little looking around because disapproval ratings are usually misreported. Anyways, I went to real clear politics which is a poll aggregator. Right now they have Biden at an average of 53.9 disapproval. For reference Trump was 53.1 for the year of 2020. Lol.
i think the Biden Cult of Personality is going to die a lot quicker in the general population than it does in the MSM.

Trump's CoP is still going strong in the media, even if it's in its death throes amongst voters.
 

Hauler

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I heard on here they were all automobile accidents or ppl so fat they were gonna die the next day anyway.
I don't know the actual statistic, but co-morbidity plays a huge part.

My mother-in-law recently passed away. She was 90 with deteriorating health. She started acting really weird a couple weeks ago. Disoriented. Wouldn't eat. They got her to a hospital and of course the first thing they do is test for Covid. Negative. Over the next couple of weeks she tested negative multiple times.

Doctor diagnosed her as being in the "early stages of active death" and left a note saying "Have a frank discussion with family regarding their options" according to the My Chart post.

She eventually passed and it's fine. It was expected and almost a relief as she hasn't had a very happy existence for the last 3 or 4 years.

She had donated her body to the local university so the following day I was arranging transport. For whatever reason, I couldn't do this until her last Covid test came back.

Despite multiple negative results, do you want to take a guess at the final result? Now - did she die of Covid? Or did she just die?
 

Hauler

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i think the Biden Cult of Personality is going to die a lot quicker in the general population than it does in the MSM.

Trump's CoP is still going strong in the media, even if it's in its death throes amongst voters.
I honestly don't think many people want Trump back in there. But if he runs against Biden, he'll win. Again. ?
 

Shinkicker

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I don't know the actual statistic, but co-morbidity plays a huge part.

My mother-in-law recently passed away. She was 90 with deteriorating health. She started acting really weird a couple weeks ago. Disoriented. Wouldn't eat. They got her to a hospital and of course the first thing they do is test for Covid. Negative. Over the next couple of weeks she tested negative multiple times.

Doctor diagnosed her as being in the "early stages of active death" and left a note saying "Have a frank discussion with family regarding their options" according to the My Chart post.

She eventually passed and it's fine. It was expected and almost a relief as she hasn't had a very happy existence for the last 3 or 4 years.

She had donated her body to the local university so the following day I was arranging transport. For whatever reason, I couldn't do this until her last Covid test came back.

Despite multiple negative results, do you want to take a guess at the final result? Now - did she die of Covid? Or did she just die?
Do you know why they kept retesting her?
 

Hauler

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Do you know why they kept retesting her?
Different facilities.

1st stop was ER. Test.

After she improved a little they moved her to a different facility for physical rehab. Test.

She went downhill again, so back to ER. Test.

The MyChart said something about fluid in lungs. I can't pull up the exact wording because the MyChart got shut off when she passed.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Yeah I very much disagree with that. I mean we are probably one wave away from that being true.

But you can look at the heterogeneous omicron areas in the United States and see the areas that still have too many hospitalizations for the cases to be omicron. Or the early data on omicron is not applicable to some of these populations. So we aren't quite there yet in either variant dominance or good data and modeling on resource utilization for omicron.

But more. I'm thinking that if they announced it then they must have considered this and probably done some bureaucratic deliberation ahead of time. Meaning they were making this decision probably at an even worse time than now.

Playing down omicron is nothing because it's a lower individual risk. Really ignores how hard it is going to be to model hospitalizations. If at the same time you have case spread. You also have people changing activities that are higher risk for infection because they think it's nothing. Societal risk remains high. And there's every reason to believe you just need to hang tight for one more wave and try not to be in the mix while everyone else is getting sick.
Within 48 hours the government went from that messaging back into another round of lockdowns even though hospitalizations remain low. Meanwhile the public is required to stay home for 5 days if anyone in their household shows a single symptom even though we have no available testing.

I do think you need to bear in mind that when I say high vaccination rate I mean we're closing in on 90% of the total population.
 
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Hauler

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But you can look at the heterogeneous omicron areas in the United States and see the areas that still have too many hospitalizations for the cases to be omicron.
Do you agree with the "5 days and wait it out" policy?

Maybe hositals were being overrun because people were staying at home until they needed ER assistance.

Should we be treating folks when they first develop symptoms instead of telling them to ride it out?
 

Filthy

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I honestly don't think many people want Trump back in there. But if he runs against Biden, he'll win. Again. ?
the better question will be "is he available to run, or is he under indictment for Jan 6th?"

right now, the biggest threat to the Dems is a unified Rep party, and Trump is the easiest "Never Biden".
I imagine voter turnout would be non-existent in a Trump/Biden rematch, or possibly a strong showing from 3rd party to get over the 15% wall.

The corporations that fund both parties don't want any of that, it increases the price of the "Illusion of Choice" by 50%.
 

Hauler

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the better question will be "is he available to run, or is he under indictment for Jan 6th?"

right now, the biggest threat to the Dems is a unified Rep party, and Trump is the easiest "Never Biden".
I imagine voter turnout would be non-existent in a Trump/Biden rematch, or possibly a strong showing from 3rd party to get over the 15% wall.

The corporations that fund both parties don't want any of that, it increases the price of the "Illusion of Choice" by 50%.
If it's Trump/Biden I'm sure I'll vote 3rd party. Or just not vote at all like a true American.