Tim Kennedy....when is the UFC going to book him or turn him loose?

[Wild]

Kirik wouldn't even have the courtesy to respond, let alone try to reason with someone. Their M.O. is delete and ignore. Matter of fact, I've been a member of Sherdog & r/mma as well, and I've never seen their admins take the time to explain & reason with members either. Comparing us to any of them is absurd IMO.

I explained clearly why two posts got deleted. I then edited a post. I then explained our position again. Anyone else would have just deleted the posts, perma-banned, and the poster would never be heard from again. We don't operate that way...but don't blatantly break our TOS & then play the victim. We're going to protect the integrity of the site, whether it costs us members or not.

 

[Punch]

You know, I've shoveled a lot of shit over the years @Enock, but falsely comparing TMMAC to those fuck awful forums is a new low in shitposting homie.

 

[SongExotic2]

I still dont get the fake fighter bit

 

[Treadstone06]

I still dont get the fake fighter bit

Me either. Sounds like he is just trying to insult him in every way possible for whatever reason.

 

[Sheepdog]

Big John letting Yoel and his corner get away with that bullshit has costs us. That seemed to be the final straw that made Kennedy lose interest in fighting. It's a damn shame too, I think he could have a legit shot at the strap.

Look at my avatar and have more of a cry. Tim got the shit kicked out of him by Romero for the entire fight. The only reason he hurt Yoel at all was because he cheated by hooking the gloves, a fact that is conveniently forgotten by idiotic Kennedy fanboys. Thankfully Romero came back strong and the right guy won.

 

[Kingtony87]

Big John letting Yoel and his corner get away with that bullshit has costs us. That seemed to be the final straw that made Kennedy lose in fighting. It's a damn shame too, I think he could have a legit shot at the strap.

that was all coming of the heels of Kennedys illegal glove holding that allowed him to score his best shots of the fight.

 

[Howard Moon]

Damn, I love the ignore feature.
All it took was adding 3 names, and this place is great again.

 

[Tiiimmmaaayyy]

that was all coming of the heels of Kennedys illegal glove holding that allowed him to score his best shots of the fight.

I would need to go back and rewatch the fight but my memory says that the extra super long break when Yoel wouldn't get off the stool was probably a far greater advantage than a grab of the wrist/glove. Incidental grabs of the glove happen, I imagine even some grabbing of the fence can be done instinctually, but refusing to get off the stool after repeated warnings doesn't seem to be something that could be accidental. Did Yoel say "no mas", or am I making that part up?

 

[Pitbull9]

Already did Rafael Dos Anjos (Speed of Sport) Vs. Conor McGregor (Ido Portal) | The MMA Community Forum

But obvisouly you are to worried about protecting Tim Kennedy and his fake ass persona of being a real fighter and military man.....

Guys juiced to the gills and hasn't even fought in the USADA Era ...yet wants to stay relevant? ....lol....he's a cross dresser (pic already posted till you deleted it) and he's an Egotistically douche ......


lol.....Admin's Ego is just as big as Kirik, Tachy, and BAM, and Petey.

The Fix is in. .....all offshoots

Bro wtf is going on with you? Chill buddy why are you going nuts? We are all cool here and love this place for the fact that we can all do our thing as long as we keep things on the up and up which is fine. I have also been edited a time or two for what I admit was fighter bashing and it was to guys who don't post here. Yo man you are better than this. Come on

 

[Zeph]

Tim Kennedy is a fantastic fighter. He is a big personality. He sells fights well for his weight class. Has a win over the current champ. All of this you would think would have the guy picking fights.

Yet no Tim Kennedy since his controversial stool gate loss to Yoel Romero.

Some say it's a beef between him and UFC brass over fighter pay and his mouth. Others that he just doesn't want to fight.

I don't know. I do know that I want to see the guy fight again or fade into fighter folklore. I need closure dog gone it.

if they are offering him fights and he is turning them down, then the contract is being fulfilled from Zuffa's end. I don't know if this is the case, but that was my impression from an interview with Tim a while back.

 

[Kingtony87]

I would need to go back and rewatch the fight but my memory says that the extra super long break when Yoel wouldn't get off the stool was probably a far greater advantage than a grab of the wrist/glove. Incidental grabs of the glove happen, I imagine even some grabbing of the fence can be done instinctually, but refusing to get off the stool after repeated warnings doesn't seem to be something that could be accidental. Did Yoel say "no mas", or am I making that part up?

All of the damage that Tim did came off of that glove hold. Without it he doesn't rock yoel the way he did that fight. Far greater advantage imo. If they did call it in between rounds it should of either been a NC or DQ for all those shots he landed while holding yoels glove.

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

I did elaborate till the mod deleted two previous posts ....what ever this site is basically the UG's minor league site for shit mods.

I came back and tried ...but fuck it....if we can't speak truth or whats on our minds ...whats the point?

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

Look at my avatar and have more of a cry. Tim got the shit kicked out of him by Romero for the entire fight. The only reason he hurt Yoel at all was because he cheated by hooking the gloves, a fact that is conveniently forgotten by idiotic Kennedy fanboys. Thankfully Romero came back strong and the right guy won.

I'm sick of the "fanboy" garbage. We are all fans. To support a fighter is not equal to being ga-ga over him. It's just hack shit at this point.

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

his fake ass persona of being a real fighter and military man.....

fake ass soldier Tim Kennedy

Calling a fucking Army Ranger a fake fighter is like calling Demian Maia a white belt.

 

[Sheepdog]

I'm sick of the "fanboy" garbage. We are all fans. To support a fighter is not equal to being ga-ga over him. It's just hack shit at this point.

A fanboy is someone who likes a fighter so much that their judgement becomes clouded and cannot think rationally about any topic related to said fighter.

The emotional tone of this post and your following one suggests you are a Tim Kennedy fanboy, but I may be wrong. Do you accept that the only reason Tim hurt Romero is because he cheated, perhaps inadvertently, and thus Romero's subsequent extra time on the stool was irrelevant?

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

A fanboy is someone who likes a fighter so much that their judgement becomes clouded and cannot think rationally about any topic related to said fighter.

The emotional tone of this post and your following one suggests you are a Tim Kennedy fanboy, but I may be wrong. Do you accept that the only reason Tim hurt Romero is because he cheated, perhaps inadvertently, and thus Romero's subsequent extra time on the stool was irrelevant?

Okay so you epitomize the problem.

My response sounded emotional (I guess) but it was because I'm annoyed by fans who try to use this hack buzzword to discredit the opinions of fans with whom they disagree. Your avatar is literally Tim Kennedy with a busted face and you're accusing me of having emotions cloud my judgment. You've obviously got something against the guy, which is fine, but don't cry bias at other people when you're obviously extremely partial.

Tim did grab the glove, and it was illegal. To then say that it makes Yoel's infraction "irrelevant" is ridiculous. He didn't owe a foul because Tim committed one. As you can see, I'm not defending the grab of the glove, but it doesn't make it to where we can completely forget the part where Yoel refused to get up off of the stool, which you clearly are by calling it irrelevant. Tim's infraction is way easier to explain than Yoel's, in my opinion, even though they were both illegal.

Your test as to if I was a "fanboy" or not was to ask if I agreed with your ridiculous, emotional opinion. You are exactly what I am talking about when I mention those who throw that word around. It's like "shill". It's so overused that it no longer means anything.

 

[SongExotic2]

Okay so you epitomize the problem.

My response sounded emotional (I guess) but it was because I'm annoyed by fans who try to use this hack buzzword to discredit the opinions of fans with whom they disagree. Your avatar is literally Tim Kennedy with a busted face and you're accusing me of having emotions cloud my judgment. You've obviously got something against the guy, which is fine, but don't cry bias at other people when you're obviously extremely partial.

Tim did grab the glove, and it was illegal. To then say that it makes Yoel's infraction "irrelevant" is ridiculous. He didn't owe a foul because Tim committed one. As you can see, I'm not defending the grab of the glove, but it doesn't make it to where we can completely forget the part where Yoel refused to get up off of the stool, which you clearly are by calling it irrelevant. Tim's infraction is way easier to explain than Yoel's, in my opinion, even though they were both illegal.

Your test as to if I was a "fanboy" or not was to ask if I agreed with your ridiculous, emotional opinion. You are exactly what I am talking about when I mention those who throw that word around. It's like "shill". It's so overused that it no longer means anything.

Excellent post. Fight should have been finished when yoel didn't answer the bell

The rest is on the ref

Not tim.

Id like a rematch. I dunno if tim will fight again though. He should

 

[Sheepdog]

Okay so you epitomize the problem.

My response sounded emotional (I guess) but it was because I'm annoyed by fans who try to use this hack buzzword to discredit the opinions of fans with whom they disagree. Your avatar is literally Tim Kennedy with a busted face and you're accusing me of having emotions cloud my judgment. You've obviously got something against the guy, which is fine, but don't cry bias at other people when you're obviously extremely partial.

Tim did grab the glove, and it was illegal. To then say that it makes Yoel's infraction "irrelevant" is ridiculous. He didn't owe a foul because Tim committed one. As you can see, I'm not defending the grab of the glove, but it doesn't make it to where we can completely forget the part where Yoel refused to get up off of the stool, which you clearly are by calling it irrelevant. Tim's infraction is way easier to explain than Yoel's, in my opinion, even though they were both illegal.

Your test as to if I was a "fanboy" or not was to ask if I agreed with your ridiculous, emotional opinion. You are exactly what I am talking about when I mention those who throw that word around. It's like "shill". It's so overused that it no longer means anything.

Firstly, I do dislike Tim Kennedy, as I have made clear many times, and my opinions on him should largely be ignored for that reason, just like the opinions of what I term his 'fanboys' should be ignored. However, him grabbing Romero's glove is a fact not an opinion, and I'm glad you acknowledge that.

If a foul is committed as a direct result of having received a foul, then I most certainly think the secondary foul can be described as being negated, although I accept that irrelevant is not the right word. If a fighter were to produce a small razor and stab his opponent, causing him to grab the cage in pain, I think it is safe to say that everyone would be in agreement that the cage grab should be ignored. The argument is not that one foul necessarily cancels out another - a deliberate groin shot in response to an eye poke is certainly not negated - but in an extraordinary situation like this, the secondary foul only occurred as a result of the initial foul and thus I don't see how much weight it can be given.

It is also entirely unclear whether Yoel did anything wrong at all for it to be considered a foul or even dirty. There was confusion regarding excess vaseline, that was not applied by Romero's corner, that caused much of the delay and the language barrier also contributed. Even if Romero and his corner knew exactly what they were doing, he was fortunate enough to have a legitimate reason given to him. Further, it is complete speculation that the extra recovery time contributed to Romero's victory. We have seen guys like Dan Henderson and Frankie Edgar recover from legit KOs in an instant, let alone rocked guys recovering in 60 seconds. It may have been crucial, it may not have been, we don't know.

My point is that we had a situation where a guy committed a foul and the only negative effects he suffered were that the guy he fouled was allowed an extra few seconds to recover due at least in part to a commission error, as opposed to the 5 minutes a guy can receive if was an illegal knee or groin strike. Say that out loud and realise how absurd it is. Guys who still go on about it clearly aren't capable of objective thought. Thus they are assigned a derogatory and dismissive term like 'fanboy'.

 

[Andrewsimar Palhardass]

Firstly, I do dislike Tim Kennedy, as I have made clear many times, and my opinions on him should largely be ignored for that reason, just like the opinions of what I term his 'fanboys' should be ignored. However, him grabbing Romero's glove is a fact not an opinion, and I'm glad you acknowledge that.

If a foul is committed as a direct result of having received a foul, then I most certainly think the secondary foul can be described as being negated, although I accept that irrelevant is not the right word. If a fighter were to produce a small razor and stab his opponent, causing him to grab the cage in pain, I think it is safe to say that everyone would be in agreement that the cage grab should be ignored. The argument is not that one foul necessarily cancels out another - a deliberate groin shot in response to an eye poke is certainly not negated - but in an extraordinary situation like this, the secondary foul only occurred as a result of the initial foul and thus I don't see how much weight it can be given.

It is also entirely unclear whether Yoel did anything wrong at all for it to be considered a foul or even dirty. There was confusion regarding excess vaseline, that was not applied by Romero's corner, that caused much of the delay and the language barrier also contributed. Even if Romero and his corner knew exactly what they were doing, he was fortunate enough to have a legitimate reason given to him. Further, it is complete speculation that the extra recovery time contributed to Romero's victory. We have seen guys like Dan Henderson and Frankie Edgar recover from legit KOs in an instant, let alone rocked guys recovering in 60 seconds. It may have been crucial, it may not have been, we don't know.

My point is that we had a situation where a guy committed a foul and the only negative effects he suffered were that the guy he fouled was allowed an extra few seconds to recover due at least in part to a commission error, as opposed to the 5 minutes a guy can receive if was an illegal knee or groin strike. Say that out loud and realise how absurd it is. Guys who still go on about it clearly aren't capable of objective thought. Thus they are assigned a derogatory and dismissive term like 'fanboy'.

Your opinion is obviously well thought out. I see your point, but I think you have to ref those two situations individually. If you don't, you are telling the fighters that they get one makeup call. Obviously the razor example is a bit of an extreme, but I get it.

 

[DFW4L]

Love Tim, and see a bunch of shits gone down in this thread so will tread easy....

yea, he is on the gas bigtime, dude is a MW Mendes - its basically a job requirement in his 'day job' - he has not fought in the USADA era, doubt he ever will

 

[Sheepdog]

Your opinion is obviously well thought out. I see your point, but I think you have to ref those two situations individually. If you don't, you are telling the fighters that they get one makeup call. Obviously the razor example is a bit of an extreme, but I get it.

Of course. Even in my deliberately extreme example, if the ref does not see the stabbing, his initial response should be to sanction the fence grab regardless. And you're overall argument is hard to fault. Throwing names around only serves to weaken arguments and can also be unfairly used to dismiss legitimate counter-arguments.

It is not that 'stoolgate' wasn't a clusterfuck that most certainly could have completely screwed Kennedy in different circumstances - my initial reaction was that he had been robbed of the chance to finish - it's that the hysterical, uniformed reaction to that fight has persisted years later after evidence emerged that Kennedy wasn't really screwed at all, and Romero and his corner were not completely responsible for the issue. Had Frank Trigg finished Hughes after hitting him the groin before the epic comeback, people could still whine about it today. But if they can't let this one go, they aren't being rational.

As an aside, I am no 'fanboy' but feel the false narrative around this fight is why Romero is maligned so much today even though he may not have done anything wrong. The 'gay Jesus' stuff - I still can't believe so many people could fail to display basic comprehension and get sucked into the same stupidity - and the tainted supplement have added to an image that isn't really deserved. Sure, if Romero isn't on the juice then I am a magical Dragon named Gordormak, but he definitively proved that this particular positive test was not a result of 'cheating'. In that regard, he is no different to 90% of other MMA fighters in that we justifiably suspect him, but he hasn't really been caught.

 

[Yossarian]

The 'gay Jesus' stuff - I still can't believe so many people could fail to display basic comprehension and get sucked into the same stupidity

the tainted supplement have added to an image that isn't really deserved

...but yet you believe the tainted supplement theory. Listen, I applaud Romero for getting away with it, let's not be naieve. He looks like he ate Brock Lesnar... come one now.

 

[Sheepdog]

...but yet you believe the tainted supplement theory. Listen, I applaud Romero for getting away with it, let's not be naieve. He looks like he ate Brock Lesnar... come one now.

What part of "if Romero isn't on the juice then I am a magical Dragon named Gordormak" makes you think that I am naive about Romero? You know I'm not a magical Dragon named Gordormak, right? I'm actually Pegasus.

I do not 'believe the tainted supplement theory', I'm actually aware of the tainted supplement FACT. You should read the facts of a relevant topic before mocking others who are aware of them, otherwise you start to look like a creationist. It's pretty embarrassing and I don't enjoy having to make you look foolish in front of everybody.

Yoel Romero Accepts Doping Sanction | USADA

"Following notification of his positive test, Romero provided USADA with access to the dietary supplement products he was using at the time of the relevant sample collection. Although Ibutamoren was not listed on any of the supplement labels, preliminary testing conducted on one of the products indicated that it contained the prohibited substance. The presence of an undisclosed prohibited substance in a product is regarded as contamination.

At USADA’s request, the WADA-accredited laboratory in Salt Lake City, Utah, independently obtained and analyzed the contents of an unopened container of the supplement in question. That testing conclusively confirmed that a supplement Romero used was contaminated with Ibutamoren."

The only crimes here are that Romero was forced to accept 6 months and that people still think he was guilty because of their own ignorance. You should ask him and gay Jesus for forgiveness.

 

[benjo0101]

Okay so you epitomize the problem.

My response sounded emotional (I guess) but it was because I'm annoyed by fans who try to use this hack buzzword to discredit the opinions of fans with whom they disagree. Your avatar is literally Tim Kennedy with a busted face and you're accusing me of having emotions cloud my judgment. You've obviously got something against the guy, which is fine, but don't cry bias at other people when you're obviously extremely partial.

Tim did grab the glove, and it was illegal. To then say that it makes Yoel's infraction "irrelevant" is ridiculous. He didn't owe a foul because Tim committed one. As you can see, I'm not defending the grab of the glove, but it doesn't make it to where we can completely forget the part where Yoel refused to get up off of the stool, which you clearly are by calling it irrelevant. Tim's infraction is way easier to explain than Yoel's, in my opinion, even though they were both illegal.

Your test as to if I was a "fanboy" or not was to ask if I agreed with your ridiculous, emotional opinion. You are exactly what I am talking about when I mention those who throw that word around. It's like "shill". It's so overused that it no longer means anything.

Great post

 

[benjo0101]

The reasoning and arguments put forward in this thread are good but seem rather inconsistent.

I appreciate the effort and the posts though.

I cant help but feeling that if we just ignore the juicing opinions then we might get better arguments.

If Tim hasnt officially retired then he will still be under the USADA testing regime, so he would have failed by now. But I prefer to argue back and forth with evidence rather than guessing. I find it gives me better fact based discussion than falling back on... he's juicing. Bit of a get out of jail free card at the moment.