France would fall under the 20 percent tariff for the EU as a whole. The European countries on the list would be non EU members.
General Trump's Running Shit Like a Motherfuckin BOSSS
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All 3 races stayed exactly the same at the end of the night with a 4-3 dem majority in WI and both seats staying Rep in Florida...
I like Trump, I’d probably have voted for him if I lived in the states, definitely wouldn’t be voting democrat anyway.
This trade war he seems dead set on starting is fucking retarded though, world economy is only bouncing back from the pandemic bullshit and he wants to create massive uncertainty in the markets now, for no good reason, it won’t benefit the states either, especially not now.
This trade war he seems dead set on starting is fucking retarded though, world economy is only bouncing back from the pandemic bullshit and he wants to create massive uncertainty in the markets now, for no good reason, it won’t benefit the states either, especially not now.
Not only that... but they didn't even calculate the reciprocal tariffs in ANY logical or factual way...
Hell, even Elon's AI confirms that they used shitty logic.
Grok:
Based on the evidence in the X threads and supporting web results, it appears the White House used a flawed formula to calculate their "reciprocal tariffs." Here's a breakdown of why the formula is considered faulty:
- Misleading "Reciprocal" Claim: The White House claimed these tariffs were reciprocal, meaning they would mirror the tariffs and non-tariff barriers (like regulations) that other countries impose on U.S. exports. However, the formula they used—revealed as (trade deficit in goods / imports) × 0.5—doesn’t account for actual tariff rates or non-tariff barriers imposed by other countries. For example, James Surowiecki pointed out that South Korea, with which the U.S. has a trade agreement, isn’t charging a 50% tariff on U.S. exports, nor is the EU charging 39%, as the White House claimed. These numbers were instead derived from trade deficit ratios, not real tariff data.
- Over-Simplification of Trade Dynamics: The formula focuses solely on the trade deficit in goods, ignoring the U.S. trade surplus in services. In 2024, the U.S. had a $918.4 billion goods trade deficit but a $252 billion services surplus, per the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. By excluding services, the formula distorts the overall trade balance, leading to inflated tariff rates that don’t reflect the full economic relationship with other countries. For instance, Indonesia’s supposed 64% tariff rate was simply its $17.9 billion trade deficit with the U.S. divided by its $28 billion in exports to the U.S., not an actual tariff rate.
- Lack of Economic Grounding: Economists, as noted in the Tax Foundation web result, generally agree that tariffs reduce economic output by raising prices and limiting the availability of goods. The White House formula doesn’t consider comparative advantage—the principle that countries benefit from specializing in goods they produce efficiently. Surowiecki highlighted this in his post about Indonesia, where the U.S. imposes a 32% tariff on coffee imports despite not exporting coffee, showing a misunderstanding of how trade benefits both parties through specialization.
- Application to Non-Economic Entities: The tariffs were applied indiscriminately to over 60 territories, including places like Heard and McDonald Islands, which are uninhabited except for penguins and have no economic activity, as pointed out by
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. This suggests the White House may have simply applied the formula to a list of ISO country codes without considering whether these entities engage in meaningful trade, further highlighting the formula’s lack of precision. - White House’s Own Admission: When the White House responded to criticism, they published their methodology, claiming they calculated tariffs and non-tariff barriers. However, the formula they shared—Δτi = (xi - mi) / (ε * φ * mi)—is mathematically equivalent to the simplistic trade deficit-to-imports ratio Surowiecki identified, as confirmed by the community note on Kush Desai’s post. The use of Greek letters made it look complex, but it was the same flawed approach, undermining their claim of a sophisticated calculation.
- AI-Generated Similarity: Multiple sources, including Krishnan Rohit’s posts and the Cointelegraph article, noted that AI models like ChatGPT, Claude, and Grok produced the same formula when asked how to calculate reciprocal tariffs. This raises the possibility that the White House may have relied on a similarly simplistic AI-generated method, which lacks the nuance needed for real-world trade policy. While this is speculative, the alignment between the White House’s formula and AI outputs suggests a lack of rigorous economic analysis.
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The world had a trade war targeted at the United States, and the United States laid down and let them walk all over it. If tariffs are so bad, why doesn't every single country lift them against the United States? It's only bad when the United States charges an EQUAL tariff on every other country? I'm not following the logic that now tariffs are bad. They were either always bad, or they are always good.
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You’ve bought into some bullshit there man, these calculations are completely wrong for a start , a trade deficit does not equal a tariff , nor does standards not allowing genetically modified corn or angel dust beef for example.
The 39% figure for Europe for example is what you import - what you export , this is school boy level economics.
He is fucking the world economy, US included.
He is basically trying to kill trade for certain things that he thinks can be made in the states, but he’s doing it in the worst way possible with these sweeping taxes.
The trade off for these tariffs on companies American included will not encourage growth on a grand scale it is going to throw decades of progress in the bin.
It might loosen the states dependence on Asian products and components, that’s a positive I suppose, if they can be replaced with different suppliers.
The trade off for these tariffs on companies American included will not encourage growth on a grand scale it is going to throw decades of progress in the bin.
It might loosen the states dependence on Asian products and components, that’s a positive I suppose, if they can be replaced with different suppliers.
THATS the problem here. Trump is too fucking retarded to get that right. His massive tariffs are way higher than what other countries have levied on us. His team used complete mouth breathing calculations that are several orders of magnitude higher that what the tariffs against us actually are. Either they are COMPLETELY incompetent, or trying to purposely tank the economy.
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Some of the smartest economists in the world are in the US, there is no way these calculations are so wrong just by accident, no way, that would be terrifying, it would mean Trump and everybody around him that came to these conclusions are completely retarded, that can’t be possible.
These numbers are being thrown out to make things look way worse than they are to the average American so they can justify the so called reciprocal tarrifs and point the finger at everyone else.
People are claiming it was likely AI... as they got the same results by just asking AI to do all the work.
Its his fucking responsibility.
HE is the one that signed the shit.
Its HIS fault when this all crashes.
Unreal. $6 trillion in investments into America.
View: https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1907956823832805557
View: https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1907956823832805557
5 Million jobs. Skilled. Skilled jobs...fuck yes!
His calculations are based upon tariff, VAT, and other expenses in foreign countries that make the salability of US goods impossible. Everyone wants in on the US market. It makes sense. Many countries make it extremely difficult, if not impossible for US goods to be sold there.
Trump is not president of the world, so the world's economy is not his issue. You think China wouldn't froth at the mouth of the world being at it's feet (which is what they've been trying do do for decades)? If the entire world market needs the US market, which it absolutely does, why should that not come at a cost? What has been stated for tariffs is the ceiling, not the floor (unless dipshit countries want to create an actual trade war). If countries want to negotiate a better trade deal (Trump's phone is blowing up right now with all countries), they can attempt to do so. Trump has been right about just about everything, and this is an America First agenda. Countries can either lower or eliminate tariffs on US goods, or pay the cost.
This will be short term pain for complete future prosperity, globalists be damned. Even the playing field and play ball, or find a new source of revenue that doesn't included the US. I'm here for it.
I voted for this and trust his judgement, not the doom and gloom globalists, 51 former intel officials, certainly not foreign countries knowing they will lose their golden goose etc... Trump surpassed all expectations in his first term, and will do so again in his second term. I'm 100% on it. Quote me, please do, if this doesn't happen. It's not something that will happen overnight, but it will happen. The US has what, $5T or more in investments in 2 months so far? This economy will boom.
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Bill Maher like zuckerberg are snakes. They been against Trump for years and are sucking up now cause hes the man.Both are spineless bitches.
I don't know you as a poster . I've never seen your SN. I just want to say, I'm sure your an awesome guy. You probably have far better moral character than me
However I disagree strongly.
I don't live in a America either. I'm Australian. I've been saying from day zero this tariff policy is good. Before a single person on here supported it .
I've also been the biggest trump appoligist you will ever find. I'm fully off that bandwagon now due to complete unrelated shit to this
I feel like I know what it's like to have full blown TDS. There's a depression feeling., and I can trace it back directly to fuck heads, repeating brainwashed opinions from Austrian economists ( who are more correct than any other economists)
with this egotistical self righteous aurora thinking they are the greatest minds on this subject to ever exist, when in actually they are comparing their theory to fuck head Marxists, keyennsians and MMT poofters from the London school and have never thought for a second for themselves.
As smart as Milton fuck knuckle Friedman was , he was an arrogant prick that fucked up on his biggest prediction ( not stagflation, which he was right about).
My TDS symptoms are caused by hearing these fucking cocksuckers bang on endlessly, night and day , every chance they get like they have a fucking clue and every single one of them is fucked in the head whith " trust me on this, I read book's on this " brain. ... Fuck wits.!!
I could go on for hours about this , but let me keep it short.
Straight up smart guy.?
Is this going to cause inflation or deflation???
Is this going to have a similar or opposite effect of raising interest rates ( which I'm sure you fuckers love ).??
Dose the fact that the USD is the reserve currency of the world factor into this at all??
Huh? You think the IMF is going to change some currency's value around??
You are probably also one of these fools that preach on about " fiscal responsibility ". Without considering that that's a complete wank with the fake money system in place.
You've probably never considered that a fake money system is required, mathematically, for usery to operate.
You probably think that gold is" a store of value " and it has intrinsic properties which give it it's worth. Not the fact that it's immune from forgery by anyone. That gives it its real value . Governments can put their stupid face on it but they can't make / forge gold . They certainly tried though whith alchemists.
I could go on, and on, and on explaining this shit and trying to articulate it. But it seems so incredibly pointless. Everyone is so brainwashed on this at this stage. Even " expert" economists that tell us how things are on TV are completely deluded. They are the human caterpillar of economic delusion .
How the fuck am I supposed to explain this shit to anyone ?
I'm fully willing to have a back n forth with you on this subject if you like, ie ; if you would like me to explain what I mean in more detail. But if you want to just come at me with some bullshit to try and get the win in the short term then I'm not even going to reply even once. You can fuck off with all the other Friedmanites in hell.
To end this. I do apologise for any offence. That was not my intention. This is a thing on me. But if you want a summary here's my prediction. This will not only be good for America, but the entire world.
I feel like it's going to be actively sabotaged somehow though.
I'm so sorry. I could go on and on and on. Seriously.
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He has been saying the same thing for decades, this should not be surprising to any one
He wasn't the only person that saw a problem with trade and against NAFTA at the time.
Think hard. Remember the term "globalisation ". Where the fuck do you think the alex jones shit " the globalists " came from ?
Don't forget it was faggot fuck ol man bush that was pushing that shit. The cia director himself. Till he got his little stooge clinton in there to do it.
Like what happened here in Australia right around that time. John Howard said before the election he would never ever bring in a GST . Which his opponent was unpopulary running on.
That was the first fucking thing he did.
People look back at the 90's fondly..
That was by far the decade the world got fucked in the ass with no lube. More than any other decade known to man.