UFC to change Reebok pay structure to tiered system

[Star-Lord]

Seems better, at least they seem to be listening more than usual. Still not thrilled

 

[ThatOneDude]

^ hmm seems fishy. why did they want Reebok so bad in favour of the fighters own sponsors if they don't get anything out of it. Haven't the fighters said that the sponsorship money will be less than if they got it themselves?

I think that remains to be seen, but an issue now is people are losing money and sponsors before the deal kicks into place. Abu Schaubi has been pretty vocal about it and he has a huge audience which is awesome.

 

[D241]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. They get sponsored for fights, if you aren't fighting you aren't getting sponsorship money. So it's a moot point.

There is probably a line somewhere, but where is the line?

A fighter can fight once a year, and have tenure to get paid good, but how long can he stay inactive before not qualifying?

My examples are probably the exception, but there's probably a line somewhere, don't you think?

For instance Dominick Cruz, Mike Pierce, those guys are still active, not retired, still under contract, but both haven't been active hardly at all. Do they still get paid? If so, how long can they be inactive?

You nor I know these answers but they're legit questions, don't you think?

 

[D241]

You know whats funny we sit here and discuss this deal when at the end of the day its a total FUCK UP and is really only good for lining the Zuffas pockets and not the fighters. They have their sponsors and that is that. Its total bullshit whats happening but we have to accept it and so do they and that fuck head Dana will spin it how he usually does and call everyone a moron and say

"Listen if you dont think this deal is..."

"Only a moron would think that this deal is..."

"First of all when we made this deal..."

Etc etc.

Lol @ "First o all",

You know you're about to hear some bullshit when Dana has a legit question asked to him and he starts out with either...."First of all', or...."Let me tell you something"

 

[ThatOneDude]

There is probably a line somewhere, but where is the line?

A fighter can fight once a year, and have tenure to get paid good, but how long can he stay inactive before not qualifying?

My examples are probably the exception, but there's probably a line somewhere, don't you think?

For instance Dominick Cruz, Mike Pierce, those guys are still active, not retired, still under contract, but both haven't been active hardly at all. Do they still get paid? If so, how long can they be inactive?

You nor I know these answers but they're legit questions, don't you think?

Yes they do get paid, when they fight. I think you are misunderstanding how the sponsorship works. Maybe someone else can chime in.

 

[D241]

Yes they do get paid, when they fight. I think you are misunderstanding how the sponsorship works. Maybe someone else can chime in.

I am pointing out grey areas, and you are answering as matter of fact but where are you getting your answers from because I'm reading the same article and with words like-

" Instead of paying fighters based on media rankings, it will pay fighters based on a “tiered system” based on tenure or number of UFC bouts fought."

fought=past tense.

Yes they do get paid, when they fight. I think you are misunderstanding how the sponsorship works. Maybe someone else can chime in.

Article says fought, you say when they fight. The discrepancy is the article says fought, meaning past tense, and you're saying when they fight.

 

[ThatOneDude]

UFC/Reebok Uniform Deal Reportedly Worth $70 Million Over Six Years

 

[Priziesthorse]

I am pointing out grey areas, and you are answering as matter of fact but where are you getting your answers from because I'm reading the same article and with words like-

" Instead of paying fighters based on media rankings, it will pay fighters based on a “tiered system” based on tenure or number of UFC bouts fought."

fought=past tense.



Article says fought, you say when they fight. The discrepancy is the article says fought, meaning past tense, and you're saying when they fight.

I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say, but I am still in the midst of a hangover from Saturday.

 

[La Paix]

^ hmm seems fishy. why did they want Reebok so bad in favour of the fighters own sponsors if they don't get anything out of it. Haven't the fighters said that the sponsorship money will be less than if they got it themselves?

I don't want to make any harsh accusations but are you suggesting that there's a chance that Mr. White might be untruthful in his answer? He must see the camera right in front of him and I think he'd know who Ariel is by now, I just don't see that happening. Name one time, just one, where you can factually say that Dana has said one thing and then didn't do exactly that. I'll wait...

 

[ThatOneDude]

What the article is stating is that how many times they have fought (past tense) in the UFC/WEC/Strikeforce will determine what payment tier they are in. But if a fighter doesn't fight why would they get paid, they won't be wearing the reebok gear during fight week, promos, or the fight?

 

[D241]

What the article is stating is that how many times they have fought (past tense) in the UFC/WEC/Strikeforce will determine what payment tier they are in. But if a fighter doesn't fight why would they get paid, they won't be wearing the reebok gear during fight week, promos, or the fight?

So you're saying that Mike Pierce, Dominick Cruz, etc, they will not get paid until after their next fight, whenever that may be?

 

[D241]

I think I follow, but there still seems to be a lot of grey areas.

 

[D241]

UFC/Reebok Uniform Deal Reportedly Worth $70 Million Over Six Years

Informative, yet still raises questions. It's crazy how this whole Reebok deal isn't even in effect nor do they have all the kinks worked out but currently no outside sponsors are allowed-that's not good for fighters.

 

[ThatOneDude]

So you're saying that Mike Pierce, Dominick Cruz, etc, they will not get paid until after their next fight, whenever that may be?

Yes, unless they get other deals with reebok.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Informative, yet still raises questions. It's crazy how this whole Reebok deal isn't even in effect nor do they have all the kinks worked out but currently no outside sponsors are allowed-that's not good for fighters.

Outside sponsors are allowed until the kickoff date. Also other sponsors are allowed, just not at anything UFC sponsored.

 

[D241]

Yes, unless they get other deals with reebok.

Sorry if I'm coming across dense, but can you expand on "unless they get other deals with reebok"

 

[D241]

Outside sponsors are allowed until the kickoff date.

Are you sure about this? I thought Mitrione and another fighter already said that they lost sponsors due to the reebok deal.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Are you sure about this? I thought Mitrione and another fighter already said that they lost sponsors due to the reebok deal.

They did, but not because they weren't allowed currently.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Are you sure about this? I thought Mitrione and another fighter already said that they lost sponsors due to the reebok deal.

They are losing them because the sponsors can't make any long term investment.
Good investment is to grab young talent cheap and lock them in.

 

[D241]

They are losing them because the sponsors can't make any long term investment.
Good investment is to grab young talent cheap and lock them in.

Got ya.

So the UFC/Reebok deal is supposed to make money for the fighters, and thus far the only feedback I've heard is only the opposite.

Watching this unfold with my skeptic glasses on.

 

[ECC170]

I like it, I think it's a much better system that what they initially proposed, but I still don't like it over all. I wonder if Brendan Schaub's comments on the Fighter and the Kid podcast have anything to do with nudging them in this direction.

doubt it bud..that would imply the fighters have a voice in the matter matter..shit they don't even have a faint whisper lol

 

[MMAHAWK]

so not counting Pride Hurts legends like HUNT, Both NOGS, Shogun,and Gomi. Fuck that noise cant really support this.

 

[ECC170]

This part of the article worries me, Deeply.

The system which rewards a fighter based on time served in the UFC (or WEC or Strikeforce) is a much more stable way of determining how a fighter will be compensated through the Reebok deal. It also gives a fighter incentive to do their best to stay in the UFC.

Fighter has lost two in a row, has barely won the first two rounds, decides to coast and not engage in the third round to guarantee a decision victory to keep him in UFC, keep him getting a bonus.

A system that encourages a situation where it's more rewarding to avoid the fight is not a good system.

that'd be fucked up if a guy in middle of a scrap thought like that...then again he or she could a preconceived notion to do this is the fight is going that way..good point and scenario you pointed out bub..

 

[ECC170]

Still not the best system but it's better than the rankings.

They should just develop an algorithm based on experience, ranking, top ten wins and other factors.

Can you imagine Rampage tying to comprehend an algorithm lol...He would be like "whos algo?" "I'm the one who's got rithm"

 

[ECC170]

Dana is right they won't make a Dime..they'll make millions...And he will say he was referring to a "Dime" in weed slang...