Ultimate Ultimate 1997 - Let's Discuss who wins & how....
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Round one
Vovhcanchyn beats Shamrock via strikes
Rutten beats Couture via TKO
Ruas beats Frye via decision
Rickson beats Coleman via submission
Round two
Rutten beats Vovcanchyn by decision
Ruas beats Rickson by decison
Round three
Rutten beats Ruas by TKO
Vovhcanchyn beats Shamrock via strikes
Rutten beats Couture via TKO
Ruas beats Frye via decision
Rickson beats Coleman via submission
Round two
Rutten beats Vovcanchyn by decision
Ruas beats Rickson by decison
Round three
Rutten beats Ruas by TKO
Ok, People asked me why Shamrock loses.
So Vovchanchyn previously lost via a leg lock so he's going to go in this fight with the serious intent to stay standing. However that was in 95 so he's had 2 years to work on keeping things standing. In that time his only other sub loss was a chin in the eye sub. In the 20+ fights he had up until 97 from 95 he had 18 or so wins vis strikes, a sub and some decisions. There is no way he's going to let Ken take him to the ground knowing Ken loves it there.
Ken is roided to the gills and his cardio was suspect at the time. He only fought 4 times in 1996 and then not again until 2000 so he was slowing down. He won a decision and lost a decision and two subs. Kneebar and forarm choke. He wants to go to the ground but Igor keeps the distance, and sets a pace on Ken. This wears down Shammy. Igor has heavy heavy hands and because he's going to stay away from Ken but stay close enough to punish him Ken gets worn down and starts to drop his hands. Igor catches him and opens up a win via strikes.
So Vovchanchyn previously lost via a leg lock so he's going to go in this fight with the serious intent to stay standing. However that was in 95 so he's had 2 years to work on keeping things standing. In that time his only other sub loss was a chin in the eye sub. In the 20+ fights he had up until 97 from 95 he had 18 or so wins vis strikes, a sub and some decisions. There is no way he's going to let Ken take him to the ground knowing Ken loves it there.
Ken is roided to the gills and his cardio was suspect at the time. He only fought 4 times in 1996 and then not again until 2000 so he was slowing down. He won a decision and lost a decision and two subs. Kneebar and forarm choke. He wants to go to the ground but Igor keeps the distance, and sets a pace on Ken. This wears down Shammy. Igor has heavy heavy hands and because he's going to stay away from Ken but stay close enough to punish him Ken gets worn down and starts to drop his hands. Igor catches him and opens up a win via strikes.
Rutten beats Couture because Bas had a sub game good enough to catch Couture at the time but also his striking game would just light up Couture. Couture would try to wrestle smother Bas but Bas would deal with it by punishing Couture as he came in and quickly keep out of range and pick away until he put Couture away.
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@Dougie.
Ruas beats Frye by decision. He stays far enough away to attack but not let Frye Swarm him. He is on his bike and back peddles to victory as he picks away at Frye who becomes frustrated at facing a guy who won't engage.
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Rickson beats Coleman just because even though Coleman is a monster at the time Rickson would face him and fight him just like he did Takada. Except it would just take longer and Coleman would gas like he did vs Fedor and from bottom or top, Rickson will lock on that armbar.
So now remember, all these fights have gone for long periods of time so there won't be a winner in terms of having a short fight.
So when Bas faces Vovchanchyn, Bas' cardio is what takes over for him and his pace overwhelms Igor who defends himself but quickly just takes a serious beating but manages to stay in the game. Bas takes a clear decision win here. This is a striker's fight for sure.
So when Bas faces Vovchanchyn, Bas' cardio is what takes over for him and his pace overwhelms Igor who defends himself but quickly just takes a serious beating but manages to stay in the game. Bas takes a clear decision win here. This is a striker's fight for sure.
Ruas and Rickson.
This fight was supposed to happen in Brazil but in true Brazilian fashion Ruas wanted more money to fight and as such it was all talk and never materialized. Some say Ruas did not want to fight Rickson but Ruas is smart enough to know not to grapple with Rickson if he can help it so he circles and stays away trying to pick away at Rickson. Rickson tries to close the distance but can't. This becomes the Shamrock/Severn fight of no engagement but because Rickson looked more aggressive the decision will go to him.
Ruas and Rickson's camps will argue this fight for years to come. Rickson's camp will say he was the agressor and Ruas didn't want to fight. Ruas' camp will say he was fighting tactically and that his strikes stopped Rickson from engaging.
No one outside of Brazil will care.
This fight was supposed to happen in Brazil but in true Brazilian fashion Ruas wanted more money to fight and as such it was all talk and never materialized. Some say Ruas did not want to fight Rickson but Ruas is smart enough to know not to grapple with Rickson if he can help it so he circles and stays away trying to pick away at Rickson. Rickson tries to close the distance but can't. This becomes the Shamrock/Severn fight of no engagement but because Rickson looked more aggressive the decision will go to him.
Ruas and Rickson's camps will argue this fight for years to come. Rickson's camp will say he was the agressor and Ruas didn't want to fight. Ruas' camp will say he was fighting tactically and that his strikes stopped Rickson from engaging.
No one outside of Brazil will care.
Rickson vs Rutten
Rutten has enough skill to avoid the ground with Rickson. The difference between Bas and Ruas is that Bas will engage and strike and fight his way back to his feet from the ground.
Rutten will be in danger a lot on the ground but his strikes there will cause Rickson to have to defend more and thus have more difficulty setting up the finish. Bas' cardio is not an issue here as Rickson easily keeps up.
Bas however has the striking advantage and slowly starts to take over. As the fight wears on Rickson has more trouble getting into the grappling and Bas begins to come on strong with his strikes and at some point overwhelms Rickson and the ref steps in to make it a TKO win for Bas.
Rickson's camp will immediately dispute that Rickson was ever in trouble, that he was merely resting and gathering his chi and setting up Bas by letting Bas punch him so that he would be in grappling range and that the ref himself was an agent of some mysterious evil group like ISIS, The Traids, or possibly Cobra lead by Serpentor and stopped the fight because he was being paid to defame the Gracies.
It won't matter because Bas will be declared the winner.
Rutten has enough skill to avoid the ground with Rickson. The difference between Bas and Ruas is that Bas will engage and strike and fight his way back to his feet from the ground.
Rutten will be in danger a lot on the ground but his strikes there will cause Rickson to have to defend more and thus have more difficulty setting up the finish. Bas' cardio is not an issue here as Rickson easily keeps up.
Bas however has the striking advantage and slowly starts to take over. As the fight wears on Rickson has more trouble getting into the grappling and Bas begins to come on strong with his strikes and at some point overwhelms Rickson and the ref steps in to make it a TKO win for Bas.
Rickson's camp will immediately dispute that Rickson was ever in trouble, that he was merely resting and gathering his chi and setting up Bas by letting Bas punch him so that he would be in grappling range and that the ref himself was an agent of some mysterious evil group like ISIS, The Traids, or possibly Cobra lead by Serpentor and stopped the fight because he was being paid to defame the Gracies.
It won't matter because Bas will be declared the winner.
The truth is that it could many different ways. This is just how I see it going down and how/why I got it there. I tried to use the fights from 95/96/07 to base my decisions and also winning fighters have wins over losing fighters that had similar skill sets to other fighters.