General Unabomber: In his own words (netlflix)
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the doc can be tough to get through at times.
the meat & potatoes relevant to Kaczynski: OSS, CIA, Harvard, Timothy Leary....
“From several people I’ve received letters concerning that Discovery Channel series about me, and it’s clear from their letters that the Discovery series is even worse than most of the other media stories about me. In fact, the greater part of it is pure fiction. Among other things, they apparently passed on to their viewers the tale through the agency of Harvard professor H. A. Murray I was repeatedly “tortured” as part of the an “MK-Ultra” mind-control program conducted by the CIA. The truth is that in the course of the Murray study there was one and only one unpleasant experience. It lasted about half an hour and could not have been described as “torture” even in the loosest sense of the word. Mostly the Murray study consisted of interviews and the filling-out of pencil-and-paper personality tests. The CIA was not involved.
Since people may find it difficult to believe that the media would broadcast such a conglomeration of outright lies, I’m sending you herewith a copy of an article by FBI agent Greg Stejskal in which Stejskal confirms that the greater part of the Discovery series is fiction. Stejskal’s purpose is to defend the honor of the FBI, not to tell the truth about Ted Kaczynski (in fact, not all of his statements about me are strictly accurate), but the fact that Discovery lied about the FBI investigation should make it easier for people to believe that they lied about me too.”
- Ted Kaczynksi
SECRET C.I.A. RESEARCH ON CAMPUS: HARVARD REWEIGHS GUIDELINES OF 1970'S
"Suppose the system survives the crisis of the next several decades. By that time it will have to have solved, or at least brought under control, the principal problems that confront it, in particular that of “socializing” human beings; that is, making people sufficiently docile so that their behavior no longer threatens the system. That being accomplished, it does not appear that there would be any further obstacle to the development of technology, and it would presumably advance toward its logical conclusion, which is complete control over everything on Earth, including human beings and all other important organisms.
The system may become a unitary, monolithic organization, or it may be more or less fragmented and consist of a number of organizations coexisting in a relationship that includes elements of both cooperation and competition, just as today the government, the corporations and other large organizations both cooperate and compete with one another. Human freedom mostly will have vanished, because individuals and small groups will be impotent visa-vis large organizations armed with supertechnology and an arsenal of advanced psychological and biological tools for manipulating human beings, besides instruments of surveillance and physical coercion.
Only a small number of people will have any real power, and even these probably will have only very limited freedom, because their behavior too will be regulated; just as today our politicians and corporation executives can retain their positions of power only as long as their behavior remains within certain fairly narrow limits."
Text of Unabomber Manifesto
The system may become a unitary, monolithic organization, or it may be more or less fragmented and consist of a number of organizations coexisting in a relationship that includes elements of both cooperation and competition, just as today the government, the corporations and other large organizations both cooperate and compete with one another. Human freedom mostly will have vanished, because individuals and small groups will be impotent visa-vis large organizations armed with supertechnology and an arsenal of advanced psychological and biological tools for manipulating human beings, besides instruments of surveillance and physical coercion.
Only a small number of people will have any real power, and even these probably will have only very limited freedom, because their behavior too will be regulated; just as today our politicians and corporation executives can retain their positions of power only as long as their behavior remains within certain fairly narrow limits."
Text of Unabomber Manifesto
Thanks for posting this. Kaczynski is without any doubt the single most important thinker alive, and his two books Technological Slavery and Anti-Tech Revolution are must reads.
The "MK Ultra" conspiracy theory is particularly annoying considering that it is so baseless (in fact, there is amble counter-evidence, including transcripts of Kaczynski's interview and testimony of other people involved in the study, etc.) and yet it is parroted, totally irresponsibly, by mainstream media outlets as if it were fact (Netflix included). It's easy to see why the mainstream media does this, and it's easy to see why people believe in it (it's more comfortable to distract your own and others' attention away from extremely disturbing ideas and onto personality and ad hominem). As the FBI agent Greg Stejskal put it: the motivations for Kaczynski's violent campaign can be found in the manifesto itself (and all of his writings).
The "MK Ultra" conspiracy theory is particularly annoying considering that it is so baseless (in fact, there is amble counter-evidence, including transcripts of Kaczynski's interview and testimony of other people involved in the study, etc.) and yet it is parroted, totally irresponsibly, by mainstream media outlets as if it were fact (Netflix included). It's easy to see why the mainstream media does this, and it's easy to see why people believe in it (it's more comfortable to distract your own and others' attention away from extremely disturbing ideas and onto personality and ad hominem). As the FBI agent Greg Stejskal put it: the motivations for Kaczynski's violent campaign can be found in the manifesto itself (and all of his writings).
wassup Ari
Hi. It was actually funny watching Joe Rogan parrot this conspiracy. Like the game of telephone, each person adding their own embellishment, carried away with their own imagination and lack of accountability.
I posted a link in my last post, but it's not showing. What happened?
I posted a link in my last post, but it's not showing. What happened?
I need to learn more about him.
Copy paste is all it takes here.
agree on the "MK Ultra" thing, the most overused term in the conspiracy community IMO. that said, I can see where the idea might have some merit.
Kaczysnki was pretty clear in his beliefs & refused an insanity plea because he believed it would have marginalized his crusade. I think one could argue the harvard experiments played a role in his alienation with modern society, but he seems to dismiss them pretty easily.
I would just like to point out how disappointed I am that no one has mentioned how damned foxy the psychologist, Sasha Reid, is!
lets do thisI would just like to point out how disappointed I am that no one has mentioned how damned foxy the psychologist, Sasha Reid, is!
needed more of her, she is an absolute gem.
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View: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/cws-2/behind-true-crime/e/54426154
I am very curious as to what was moderated here...What was your link about, what video?
It looks like he had tried to link it using code sometimes when that happens it throws the page off and out of whack. I'm guessing someone deleted the wall of gibberish text that it would have caused.
Ya
I suspect it was just a cleanup...usually a reason or warning is given if the content is deemed unsavory
Still made me curious haha
finished Manhunt & it was better than expected. it takes quite a few liberties with the story, the later parts with Fitz & Kaczynski complete fiction.
hadn't really dug too deep into it before, more intrigued than ever.
1) How did Kaczynski get from Sacramento to Helena, Montana in 2 hours?
On Dec 11, 1985 a bomb placed in a Sacramento parking lot by the Unabomber killed Hugh Scrutton. The same afternoon Kaczynski pedaled into Helena and deposited the grand sum of $10.00 in his bank account, creating a date time stamp placing him 25 hours away from the site of the bombing [USA Today]. The FBI's reaction to this was to say they were unable to determine if he made the deposit himself. Huh?
2) How did Kaczynski make the bombs?
He had no oxyacetylene torch but the bombs all showed evidence of 6300-degree oxyacetylene welds [USA Today]. Kaczynski had no electricity and no power drill although the bombs had precisely drilled fittings to secure the metal end caps. All but two of the bombs had over-soldering. Kaczynski had solder in the cabin but no soldering iron. How did he do it ?
4) Why is the person with the Unabomber ID SS# never identified?
He must have met the real Unabomber in a setting that allowed the bomber to gain the individuals Social Security Number [LA Times]. Why has this never been adequately explained ? Why not even a confidential interview by the press about who, what, when, where, and most importantly HOW. Also, how has this person managed to stay "disappeared" for over seven years ? If the individual was Sean and he put two and two together during the interview, was he killed right out of the interview to silence him ? Why not release the name of this individual now ?
6) Why did the FBI repeatedly refuse the witness's requests for a new sketch for 7 years?
The FBI Finally relented when the witness threatened to go public. The history of the sketch and the FBI is highly suspicious. At a time when they were spending millions on Task forces, Computers, Lawyers ad nauseum, they actually (bizarrely) claimed budgetary restrictions on spending funds for a single days work for a competent artist to get an accurate sketch ! The first sketches by FBI artists looked very similar to Kaczynski [Sketches]. Why the telling observation by the witness that "Never mind what I think I saw. They'll tell me what I saw, and when I tell them it's off base, they'll just tell me again. [Portraits of Guilt] Why did the witness have to go outside the FBI for a sketch artist, and then have to threaten the FBI with going public about their behavior if they did not use theaccurate one (according several reports). This sounds like the eyewitness is not obsessed with hiding as the FBI actions imply, on the contrary, it implies that they are obsessed with hiding the witness for their own reasons.
11) Why does a re-reading of old News Articles feel like a prepping handbook for the case?
During the years prior to the Manifesto dozens of citations in the Press refer to the bomber as a luddite, brilliant, crazy, and a loner. The level of these comments in the years prior to the Manifesto is striking. Given that only limited written communications were received prior to 1995, how did they deduce all this from the bombs alone ? The media record in retrospect, appears to be carefully molding public expectations and perceptions. The record of News articles in the VanPac case [News History] are similarly troubling. The [Download site button] includes a folder (News) with a copy of every article published (labeled and ranked) and a number of other useful files and Details. See for yourself. Reading the news history of the case is highly enlightening.
12) WHY DO ALL ROADS SEEM TO LEAD TO THE "intelligence" COMMUNITY?
Recent evidence links Kaczynski with invoices from the CIA Mind Control program MKUltra [LA Times] in the early 60's at Harvard. Given the hard evidence evidence linking Dettling to the "Intelligence community" MB Associates [Mitchel Page Resume], [Dettling Patent] one is forced to ask if the Kaczynski's Mk-Ultra Mind Control Program participation was a short or long term proposition. It seems like all roads in this murder spree lead to the "Intelligence Community". See also [Atlantic Monthly].
FBI Cover-up Unabomber CIA NSA Conspiracy VanPac Echelon
hadn't really dug too deep into it before, more intrigued than ever.
1) How did Kaczynski get from Sacramento to Helena, Montana in 2 hours?
On Dec 11, 1985 a bomb placed in a Sacramento parking lot by the Unabomber killed Hugh Scrutton. The same afternoon Kaczynski pedaled into Helena and deposited the grand sum of $10.00 in his bank account, creating a date time stamp placing him 25 hours away from the site of the bombing [USA Today]. The FBI's reaction to this was to say they were unable to determine if he made the deposit himself. Huh?
2) How did Kaczynski make the bombs?
He had no oxyacetylene torch but the bombs all showed evidence of 6300-degree oxyacetylene welds [USA Today]. Kaczynski had no electricity and no power drill although the bombs had precisely drilled fittings to secure the metal end caps. All but two of the bombs had over-soldering. Kaczynski had solder in the cabin but no soldering iron. How did he do it ?
4) Why is the person with the Unabomber ID SS# never identified?
He must have met the real Unabomber in a setting that allowed the bomber to gain the individuals Social Security Number [LA Times]. Why has this never been adequately explained ? Why not even a confidential interview by the press about who, what, when, where, and most importantly HOW. Also, how has this person managed to stay "disappeared" for over seven years ? If the individual was Sean and he put two and two together during the interview, was he killed right out of the interview to silence him ? Why not release the name of this individual now ?
6) Why did the FBI repeatedly refuse the witness's requests for a new sketch for 7 years?
The FBI Finally relented when the witness threatened to go public. The history of the sketch and the FBI is highly suspicious. At a time when they were spending millions on Task forces, Computers, Lawyers ad nauseum, they actually (bizarrely) claimed budgetary restrictions on spending funds for a single days work for a competent artist to get an accurate sketch ! The first sketches by FBI artists looked very similar to Kaczynski [Sketches]. Why the telling observation by the witness that "Never mind what I think I saw. They'll tell me what I saw, and when I tell them it's off base, they'll just tell me again. [Portraits of Guilt] Why did the witness have to go outside the FBI for a sketch artist, and then have to threaten the FBI with going public about their behavior if they did not use theaccurate one (according several reports). This sounds like the eyewitness is not obsessed with hiding as the FBI actions imply, on the contrary, it implies that they are obsessed with hiding the witness for their own reasons.
11) Why does a re-reading of old News Articles feel like a prepping handbook for the case?
During the years prior to the Manifesto dozens of citations in the Press refer to the bomber as a luddite, brilliant, crazy, and a loner. The level of these comments in the years prior to the Manifesto is striking. Given that only limited written communications were received prior to 1995, how did they deduce all this from the bombs alone ? The media record in retrospect, appears to be carefully molding public expectations and perceptions. The record of News articles in the VanPac case [News History] are similarly troubling. The [Download site button] includes a folder (News) with a copy of every article published (labeled and ranked) and a number of other useful files and Details. See for yourself. Reading the news history of the case is highly enlightening.
12) WHY DO ALL ROADS SEEM TO LEAD TO THE "intelligence" COMMUNITY?
Recent evidence links Kaczynski with invoices from the CIA Mind Control program MKUltra [LA Times] in the early 60's at Harvard. Given the hard evidence evidence linking Dettling to the "Intelligence community" MB Associates [Mitchel Page Resume], [Dettling Patent] one is forced to ask if the Kaczynski's Mk-Ultra Mind Control Program participation was a short or long term proposition. It seems like all roads in this murder spree lead to the "Intelligence Community". See also [Atlantic Monthly].
FBI Cover-up Unabomber CIA NSA Conspiracy VanPac Echelon
