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I'll be honest...I saw the movie title and thought "this is some chic flick!". And already being familiar w/ Robbie Hart's poor taste in movies, I thought this was just another one he talking out his ass about. But after reading this, I'm going make it a point to watch this shit now.
Wild @CindyO's Bottom Boy It's a great movie with some very iconic scenes and characters like Drexl Spivey and the Sicilian Scene but it's not without it's flaws IMO.

It was written by Tarantino back in 93 right before he wrote and directed Pulp Fiction and directly after directing Resevoir Dogs so it has the same style of dialogue and controversial subject matter. This was long before Tarantino jumped the shark and "lost the plot" both literally and figuratively.

The only problem is Tony Scott directed it and he was criticized by Tarantino himself for changing parts of the script and making it too "Hollywood." Up until this time Scott was responsible for Blockbusters like Beverly Hills Cop II, Top Gun and Days of thunder so it was an interesting choice for the kind of subject matter. Even later before he purposely drove off a bridge he perfected his speed editing technique and made films like Man on Fire and Deja Vu showing he was always style over substance.

Still it's a must see but movie and even though it's unfair to compare it to an iconic film like Pulp fiction aside for a few scenes it just lacks the raw, gritty and fresh feeling throughout the movie that Pulp Fiction possessed. That film was a once in a lifetime movie that changed the way many things were done and introduced many imitators. As a fan of both movies you are left wondering just how much better it could have been with Tarantino responsible for his own brilliant script instead of someone else's interpretation.
 
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Wild @CindyO's Bottom Boy It's an great movie with some very iconic scenes and characters like Drexl Spivey and the Sicilian Scene but it's not without it's flaws IMO.

It was written by Tarantino back in 93 right before he wrote and directed Pulp Fiction and directly after directing Resevoir Dogs so it has the same style of dialogue and controversial subject matter. This was long before Tarantino jumped the shark and "lost the plot" both literally and figuratively.

The only problem is Tony Scott directed it and he was criticized by Tarantino himself for changing parts of the script and making it too "Hollywood." Up until this time Scott was responsible for Blockbusters like Beverly Hills Cop II, Top Gun and Days of thunder so it was an interesting choice for the kind of subject matter. Even later before he purposely drove off a bridge he perfected his speed editing technique and made films like Man on Fire and Deja Vu showing he was always style over substance.

Still it's a must see but movie and even though it's unfair to compare it to an iconic film like Pulp fiction aside for a few scenes it just lacks the raw, gritty and fresh feeling throughout the movie that Pulp Fiction possessed. That film was a once in a lifetime movie that changed the way many things were done and introduced many imitators. As a fan of both movies you are left wondering just how much better it could have been with Tarantino responsible for his own brilliant script instead of someone else's interpretation.
Damn fine write up sir. Thanks because I literally know nothing about the movie whatsoever. I like Pulp Fiction so I'll definitely check this out and see if I can see the subtle differences in production that you mention.
 

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Wild @CindyO's Bottom Boy It's an great movie with some very iconic scenes and characters like Drexl Spivey and the Sicilian Scene but it's not without it's flaws IMO.

It was written by Tarantino back in 93 right before he wrote and directed Pulp Fiction and directly after directing Resevoir Dogs so it has the same style of dialogue and controversial subject matter. This was long before Tarantino jumped the shark and "lost the plot" both literally and figuratively.

The only problem is Tony Scott directed it and he was criticized by Tarantino himself for changing parts of the script and making it too "Hollywood." Up until this time Scott was responsible for Blockbusters like Beverly Hills Cop II, Top Gun and Days of thunder so it was an interesting choice for the kind of subject matter. Even later before he purposely drove off a bridge he perfected his speed editing technique and made films like Man on Fire and Deja Vu showing he was always style over substance.

Still it's a must see but movie and even though it's unfair to compare it to an iconic film like Pulp fiction aside for a few scenes it just lacks the raw, gritty and fresh feeling throughout the movie that Pulp Fiction possessed. That film was a once in a lifetime movie that changed the way many things were done and introduced many imitators. As a fan of both movies you are left wondering just how much better it could have been with Tarantino responsible for his own brilliant script instead of someone else's interpretation.
Good summary goldie but you are stepping on Priziesthorse @Priziesthorse 's baby here. Going down into my bomb shelter until this plays out
 

Goldie Wilson III

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Damn fine write up sir. Thanks because I literally know nothing about the movie whatsoever. I like Pulp Fiction so I'll definitely check this out and see if I can see the subtle differences in production that you mention.
I think you might be familiar with some of the scenes and just not be aware of it Wild @CindyO's Bottom Boy. This is one you hear people quoting and referencing ("It ain't White Boy Day") IRL and on other off topic forums all the time.

I've heard Tarantino criticize the set design here saying he changed the location but Gary Oldman nails this so perfectly it helps overshadow the movie's other flaws.

 
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hy·per·bo·le
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  1. exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
more like understatement.

fantastic acting from an all star cast, great dialogue, humor, action, suspense. patricia arquette.

most people I know can relate to clarence in one way or another. an everyman's movie, not some hollywood fluffjob or CGI orgasm. a situation most of us could realistically find ourselves in that keeps you on the edge of your seat (I kind of compare it to 'running scared' in that way)

think of the impact of some those characters had when squeezed for so little screen time. dennis hopper, christopher walken, val kilmer, gary oldman, chris penn & tom sizemore, brad pitt, james gandolfini, samuel jackson, etc.

I challenge anyone to find a cast that powerful who didn't mail it in, but instead knocked it out of the park in their respective roles.

I always said, if I had to fuck a guy... I mean had to, if my life depended on it... I'd fuck clarence.
 
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Wild @CindyO's Bottom Boy

It was written by Tarantino back in 93 right before he wrote and directed Pulp Fiction and directly after directing Resevoir Dogs so it has the same style of dialogue and controversial subject matter. This was long before Tarantino jumped the shark and "lost the plot" both literally and figuratively.
It was written long before 1993 and was his first full length screenplay. It started as a short film he wrote in the mid 80's, My Best Friend's Birthday. He then adapted that script into a 500 page screenplay which he would end up splitting into 2 seperate screenplays, True Romance and Natural Born Killers. Tony Scott wanted to direct both True Romance and Resevoir Dogs, but Tarantino said he could only choose 1. I don't think Tony has ever given the reason why he chose True Romance, but my guess is because Resevoir Dogs is a complete ripoff of Ringo Lam's 1987 movie City On Fire. That would begin a long career of Tarantino ripping off other director's films.

Wild @CindyO's Bottom Boy
The only problem is Tony Scott directed it and he was criticized by Tarantino himself for changing parts of the script and making it too "Hollywood."
The only part of the script that was changed was the final scene. Tarantino's version has Clarence dying. Scott's response to this,

“I was criticized for making it such a sweet and romantic end, but honestly, in my heart of hearts, I did this for creative reasons and not for commercial reasons. I wasn’t a sell-out. This was how I believed the movie should end, and I wanted to see my characters survive and live happily ever after, because, for me, the movie is a strange nursery rhyme, and I want my characters to continue on to live happily ever after.”

Besides that, the script is verbatim to Tarantino's screenplay minus a few ad libbed lines by Brad Pitt.

Wild @CindyO's Bottom Boy
Still it's a must see but movie and even though it's unfair to compare it to an iconic film like Pulp fiction aside for a few scenes it just lacks the raw, gritty and fresh feeling throughout the movie that Pulp Fiction possessed. That film was a once in a lifetime movie that changed the way many things were done and introduced many imitators. As a fan of both movies you are left wondering just how much better it could have been with Tarantino responsible for his own brilliant script instead of someone else's interpretation.
I used to think this way, but as I continue to watch more and more old films, I realize what a crock of shit it all is. You think Pulp Fiction created imitators? Tarantino himself is an imitator. The "iconic" dance scene directly ripped off from Federico Fellini's film 8 1/2. Or having a storyline centered around what's inside a briefcase which is directly ripped off from the 1955 movie Kiss Me Deadly. I'll go further with a quote from an article by David Foster Wallace as I cannot articulate myself as well as he can.

"The Band-Aid on the neck of Pulp Fiction's Marcellus Wallace-unexplained, visually incongruous, and featured prominently in three separate setups-is textbook Lynch. As are the long, self-consciously mundane dialogues on foot massages, pork bellies, TV pilots, etc. that punctuate Pulp Fiction's violence, a violence whose creepy-comic stylization is also Lynchian. The peculiar narrative tone of Tarantino's films-the thing that makes them seem at once strident and obscure, not-quite-clear in a haunting way-is Lynch's; Lynch invented this tone. It seems to me fair to say that the commercial Hollywood phenomenon that is Mr. Quentin Tarantino would not exist without David Lynch as a touchstone, a set of allusive codes and contexts in the viewers midbrain. In a way, what Tarantino has done with the French New Wave and with Lynch is what Pat Boone did with rhythm and blues: He's found (ingeniously) a way to take what is ragged and distinctive and menacing about their work and homogenize it, churn it until it's smooth and cool and hygienic enough for mass consumption. Reservoir Dogs, for example, with its comically banal lunch chatter, creepily otiose code names, and intrusive soundtrack of campy pop from decades past, is a Lynch movie made commercial, i.e., fast, linear, and with what was idiosyncratically surreal now made fashionably (i.e., "hiply") surreal."
 

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It was written long before 1993 and was his first full length screenplay. It started as a short film he wrote in the mid 80's, My Best Friend's Birthday. He then adapted that script into a 500 page screenplay which he would end up splitting into 2 seperate screenplays, True Romance and Natural Born Killers. Tony Scott wanted to direct both True Romance and Resevoir Dogs, but Tarantino said he could only choose 1. I don't think Tony has ever given the reason why he chose True Romance, but my guess is because Resevoir Dogs is a complete ripoff of Ringo Lam's 1987 movie City On Fire. That would begin a long career of Tarantino ripping off other director's films.


The only part of the script that was changed was the final scene. Tarantino's version has Clarence dying. Scott's response to this,

“I was criticized for making it such a sweet and romantic end, but honestly, in my heart of hearts, I did this for creative reasons and not for commercial reasons. I wasn’t a sell-out. This was how I believed the movie should end, and I wanted to see my characters survive and live happily ever after, because, for me, the movie is a strange nursery rhyme, and I want my characters to continue on to live happily ever after.”

Besides that, the script is verbatim to Tarantino's screenplay minus a few ad libbed lines by Brad Pitt.



I used to think this way, but as I continue to watch more and more old films, I realize what a crock of shit it all is. You think Pulp Fiction created imitators? Tarantino himself is an imitator. The "iconic" dance scene directly ripped off from Federico Fellini's film 8 1/2. Or having a storyline centered around what's inside a briefcase which is directly ripped off from the 1955 movie Kiss Me Deadly. I'll go further with a quote from an article by David Foster Wallace as I cannot articulate myself as well as he can.

"The Band-Aid on the neck of Pulp Fiction's Marcellus Wallace-unexplained, visually incongruous, and featured prominently in three separate setups-is textbook Lynch. As are the long, self-consciously mundane dialogues on foot massages, pork bellies, TV pilots, etc. that punctuate Pulp Fiction's violence, a violence whose creepy-comic stylization is also Lynchian. The peculiar narrative tone of Tarantino's films-the thing that makes them seem at once strident and obscure, not-quite-clear in a haunting way-is Lynch's; Lynch invented this tone. It seems to me fair to say that the commercial Hollywood phenomenon that is Mr. Quentin Tarantino would not exist without David Lynch as a touchstone, a set of allusive codes and contexts in the viewers midbrain. In a way, what Tarantino has done with the French New Wave and with Lynch is what Pat Boone did with rhythm and blues: He's found (ingeniously) a way to take what is ragged and distinctive and menacing about their work and homogenize it, churn it until it's smooth and cool and hygienic enough for mass consumption. Reservoir Dogs, for example, with its comically banal lunch chatter, creepily otiose code names, and intrusive soundtrack of campy pop from decades past, is a Lynch movie made commercial, i.e., fast, linear, and with what was idiosyncratically surreal now made fashionably (i.e., "hiply") surreal."
Oh shit, I didn't think this was coming.
Reminds oneself to never pretend to know about movies if you're viewing the thread.......except Roadhouse of course, as we both know the score with that "thing", can't even be called a movie.
 
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