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WMMA in the UFC, how much is ideal? *Poll*
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I think the integration of fight cards is one of the best things the UFC ever did. It is one thing that really separates them from every other big sport in the world besides tennis. I think women's 115 is one of the strongest divisions in the sport. 135 is in a bit of a rut, but so are men's HW, WW, Flyweight and MW. 125 and 145 will be interesting to watch develop.
I personally love it when guys like James Vick and Charles Oliveira fight on the prelims to make room for a female making her MMA debut against a 3-2 opponent or someone who is in their 3rd title fight in 5 fights despite going 1-3 in the past 4 leading into the 3rd title fight.
Look at the 3 womens fights this weekend, honestly do any of them excite you at all. I respect them, but those are fights that have no interest to me at all, the skill level is lacking and they have no power or speed like the men. Same reason why I can't watch women's basketball, but I love the NBA. Nothing against the women, its just boring as fuck. Unless its Joanna, or Rose or Cyborg or any of the champs are top 5 girls, I hate seeing them on ufc cards. Just means less fun men's fights I can watch.
What did I do wrong setting up the poll. It clearly has a poll and vote going but the title does not say poll like I see on other poll threads.
Nothing, we just type "poll" into the thread title. I can add it for you of you can't edit now.
Again, you can say the same about most men's fights in several divisions. It's just that there's a smaller sample of women's fights so the forgettable ones stand out more. The women do have speed, if not power. Seeing more technical strikes is usually more impressive to me than sloppy KOs, but to each their own.
My man its all subjective. The men's tiny 125 ers are exciting as fuck to me, they may not have power but the speed and technique is insane, I dont see any of that techniqe in any women's division outside the top 5. Like I said, look at these 3 women's fights this weekend, honestly is there anything super interesting about those fights to you? Ketlin Viera is the no.6 ranked bw in the UFC, she is a decent striker but far from well rounded and elite.
Name the WMMA fights that wowed us with technical prowess.
There's nothing exciting about 90% of cards these days and I can barely keep names straight. But sometimes you get surprised and the fights are fun. Few WMMA fights at 115 have disappointed me. The other divisions need construction or reconstruction. The idea that there's a more deserving male fight that's somehow being bumped for these fights is just statistically inaccurate.
Joanna vs. Rose
Joanna vs. Karolina
Joanna vs Claudia
Tate vs. Zingano
Tate vs. Rousey
Nunes vs. Schevchenko
Pennington vs. Tate
Torres vs. Lima
Rose vs. Torres
Waterson vs. Magana
Those are just off the top of my head.
Some decent fight there, most I can't recall how they looked tbh. I'd argue that any fight of Maganas shouldn't be considered technical by any measure. Perhaps you're referring to Waterson putting it on her, not sure. How many of the fights you listed are title or contender fights?
What I find weird is my reasoning (and probably many others) is that the main thing the women lack is technical ability yet this seems to be what you're most impressed with.
Well I keep trying to give these WMMA fights a achance but it just does not do it for me, unless its the top of the top 5 girls. I wish it could satisfy me, but it dont, just like no matter how much I try I can't ever watch chicks play basketball or soccer. Volleyball I can watch all day but thats cause I am looking at their booties .
Now those fights where great fights, but here is thing, look at those girls, outside of Lima and Magana those are all top 10 ranked girls, most top 5. I have no issue iwth the top 5 women's fight, its the Angela Maganas and Leon Jeon Kim type chick fights that are just excruciatingly boring for me. Joanna vs Karolina was a title fight, Tate and Zingana where the top 2 contenders to fight Ronda, Tate Rousey was a title fight fight, ditto Joanna and Claudio, ditto Nunes and Shevchenko.
Like I said, top 5 great but the lower ranking girls, I can barely watch it, just being honest.
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Magana has just about no technical ability, I have no idea why she was on the ufc roster, also she is wretched lady.
This is why I voted for option 3.
I just think men lack technical ability as well, but get around people noticing it because they can get flash KOs, hard scrambles or muscle through things. Ngannou is actually a great example. Look how much hype this dude had even though we had very little evidence of him having any technical virtuosity. And he just fought the champ and got taken to school. Demian Maia, who is my hero and my Jesus, is completely one dimensional just like Rousey was, but was also able to use his superior size since he's a big WW to put the squeeze on guys until he wasn't. We give dudes a pass on their technical limitations because we're used to seeing them and because they can deliver the finish in spite of it. In WMMA that's less common.
Also, due to lack of platform and time spent training, and low pay there legitimately are lower skilled female fighters rounding out the roster. I'd say WMMA is in its UFC 30-60 period in terms of technical skill, but it's still developing far more rapidly than mens MMA did because there's already a template laid out. I enjoy watching the development and it often breaks up watching a mostly male card because it's like watching something slightly different.
@Kneeblock, Ngannou displayed great TDD against Curtis Blades, underhooks nice technique and against Anthony Hamilton he finished with a beautiful sub that was technical and you almost never see out of heavies. His issue against Stipe was overexerting himself early and just gassing, had he fought smarter he would have had more in the tank and you would have seen more from him technically I think.
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Using underhooks to stop takedowns. Muscling a kimura. What technical wizardry!
See, this is what I mean. Different standards. Francis was about as technical as Angela Magana. He just has the power of a neutron star in his fists.
C'mon man. Are you seriously comparing Magnana to Ngannou?
Francis - 11-2 (7 KO, 4 subs) with notable wins over former UFC champ (Arlovski), brutal KO over fromer K1 champ (Reem) and just went 5 rounds in a title fight with somebody who you just created a thread on inferring he's the UFC HW GOAT.
Magnana - 11-9 (6 wins via decision) on a 5 fight losing streak who is more known for her slutty social media posts than her fighting ability.
Edit: I'll also add that you're cherry picking your examples here. You're taking a HW (traditionally known as the least technical division) and comparing them to a straw weight. The smaller weight classes have always received more praise for the technical abilities so it may be better to use any fighter in Fly weight. Ngannou was the last guy to challenge the title so lets go with Borg, Reis or Elliot. How would they compare to Magnana on a technical level?
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I am with you here. Ngannou has actually showed decent technical ability for a heavyweight, Magana is the least talented fighter on the entire roster outside of CM PUnk and by now CM might have passed her also. Kneeblock love you bro, but you jumped the shark on this one.
@BirdWatcher I am with you here. Ngannou has actually showed decent technical ability for a heavyweight, Magana is the least talented fighter on the entire roster outside of CM PUnk and by now CM might have passed her also. Kneeblock love you bro, but you jumped the shark on this one.
I am someone who hated it for most of it's tenure but I've changed my mind. I don't mind them now. Every now and then I like them. For instance I am always going to tune in when Holly Holm is fighting Bethe Corriea because I know I am about to see someone get kicked in the head. Don't get me wrong. I don't want to see more than 2-3 on an entire card (Fight Pass Prelims, Prelims, Main Card). However the divisions are better than in the early days of the transition. There are some really good fighters and good stories now. It can be entertaining. I do wish they would have developed the Cyborg sacrifice division better though instead of just pulling up fighters from lower weight classes.
I still rarely care for WMMA headlining a PPV though. Unless it is Holly Holm but that just because she has an amazing backside
I still rarely care for WMMA headlining a PPV though. Unless it is Holly Holm but that just because she has an amazing backside