General New 'red line' for North Korea: Having multiple nukes that can strike U.S.

[Splinty]

Why does the US need troops in SK?

Primarily security guarantees with the beacons of progress in Southeast Asia that are South Korea and Japan... That happen to be some of our most important trading partners.

Also to enforce and honor the original UN resolution call for an armistice -- "insure a complete cessation of hostilities and of all acts of armed force in Korea until a final peaceful settlement is achieved." It's a defense and training force

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Why does the US need troops in SK?

Didn't SK ask for them to be stationed there?

 

[Leigh]

Didn't SK ask for them to be stationed there?

Probably. NK sees it as a threat though. Understandable, considering how the US fucking wrecked them in the Korean War.

I'm not a NK supporter at all but their fear of the US is rational. I don't blame them for wanting to defend themselves.

 

[Splinty]

NK sees it as a threat though.

It's a red herring, just like every other excuse in the links I posted above regarding North Korea's history of sewing discourse And Delay tactics.



An invasion force of North Korea would be multi-pronged and not start by amassing them in vulnerable position at the DMZ.

There are five hundred thousand South Korean soldiers and 25000 US.

However if North Korea kills a single US soldier then they know we get an international pass to wreck them again.

Again this is no different than North Korea saying that south Korean defensive Patriot batteries are a threat when they know that we can deploy air superiority or nukes without being in South Korea.
It's just a dividing tactic.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Probably. NK sees it as a threat though. Understandable, considering how the US fucking wrecked them in the Korean War.

I'm not a NK supporter at all but their fear of the US is rational. I don't blame them for wanting to defend themselves.

Defend themselves from what? When was the last time NK was threatened by anyone?

 

[Rambo John J]

They should have been glassed a long time ago

 

[Leigh]

Defend themselves from what? When was the last time NK was threatened by anyone?

They were smashed by America and America has a permanent military presence at their border.

 

[Rambo John J]

because flag-draped caskets get 'Muricans fired up for some retribution.

only the first couple

then the media pretends they don't exist and they are banned

 

[Splinty]

only the first couple

then the media pretends they don't exist and they are banned

Too true

 

[Banchan]

Primarily security guarantees with the beacons of progress in Southeast Asia that are South Korea and Japan... That happen to be some of our most important trading partners.

Also to enforce and honor the original UN resolution call for an armistice -- "insure a complete cessation of hostilities and of all acts of armed force in Korea until a final peaceful settlement is achieved." It's a defense and training force

South Korea is not Southeast Asia.

US was first to not honor armistice by bringing nukes into the peninsula.

 

[Splinty]

South Korea is not Southeast Asia.

Chinese is not Korean.

 

[Banchan]

Probably. NK sees it as a threat though. Understandable, considering how the US fucking wrecked them in the Korean War.

I'm not a NK supporter at all but their fear of the US is rational. I don't blame them for wanting to defend themselves.

The biggest problem NK have with US is that you're isolating their economy. They are saying ok, you wont let us have a legal economy because you want to smoke our regime out with poverty? Ok we will become your competition in weapons technology by selling to people you don't want having them. G'day.

 

[Banchan]

They were smashed by America and America has a permanent military presence at their border.

Both sides were smashed but yall played dirty by bombing infrstructure such as dams and hospitals which caused massive secondary death effects such as hunger and disease. That's why even the common North korean finds the propaganda against US believable because their grandmothers and grandathers who lived through the war told them the same thing.

 

[Banchan]

They should have been glassed a long time ago for the shit they talked. North Korea is the Colby Covington of countries.

Should have been glassed when they were building yongbyon nuclear facility. The government knew that North Korea was looking to obtain nukes. The time has since passed. Can't glass them now because you don't know where the nukes are. The Kimbos outwitted yall.
.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

They were smashed by America and America has a permanent military presence at their border.

That's not a historically accurate statement.

 

[Banchan]

Chinese is not Korean.

Depending what part. Chinese are such jerks. They love tearing us apart and keeping us down while pretending to be our friend.

 

[Disciplined Galt]

Depending what part. Chinese are such jerks. They love tearing us apart and keeping us down while pretending to be our friend.

Who the fuck choose you as spokesperson for Koreans? Loopy cunt.

 

[Sheepdog]

Primarily security guarantees with the beacons of progress in Southeast Asia that are South Korea and Japan... That happen to be some of our most important trading partners.

Also to enforce and honor the original UN resolution call for an armistice -- "insure a complete cessation of hostilities and of all acts of armed force in Korea until a final peaceful settlement is achieved." It's a defense and training force

You actually believe this shit. Amazing.

 

[Leigh]

That's not a historically accurate statement.

Which part?

Korean War - Wikipedia

"As with the aerial bombing campaigns over Germany and Japan in World War II, the nominal objective of the U.S. Air Force was to destroy North Korea's war infrastructure and shatter their morale. After MacArthur was removed as Supreme Commander in Korea in April 1951, his successors continued this policy and ultimately extended it to all of North Korea.[316] The U.S. dropped a total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, on Korea, more than during the whole Pacific campaign of World War II.[317][318]

Almost every substantial building in North Korea was destroyed as a result.[319][320] The war's highest-ranking U.S. POW, U.S. Major General William F. Dean,[321] reported that the majority of North Korean cities and villages he saw were either rubble or snow-covered wasteland.[322][323] North Korean factories, schools, hospitals, and government offices were forced to move underground, and air defenses were "non-existent."[318] In November 1950, the North Korean leadership instructed their population to build dugouts and mud huts and to dig underground tunnels, in order to solve the acute housing problem.[324] U.S. Air Force General Curtis LeMay commented, "we went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, some way or another, and some in South Korea, too."[325]Pyongyang, which saw 75 percent of its area destroyed, was so devastated that bombing was halted as there were no longer any worthy targets.[326][327] On 28 November, Bomber Command reported on the campaign's progress: 95 percent of Manpojin was destroyed, along with 90 percent of Hoeryong, Namsi and Koindong, 85 percent of Chosan, 75 percent of both Sakchu and Huichon, and 20 percent of Uiju. According to USAF damage assessments, "eighteen of twenty-two major cities in North Korea had been at least half obliterated."[328] By the end of the campaign, US bombers had difficulty in finding targets and were reduced to bombing footbridges or jettisoning their bombs into the sea."

US military presence is reported here:
United States Forces Korea - Wikipedia

"USFK is the joint headquarters through which U.S. combat forces would be sent to the South Korea/US (ROK/U.S.)"

"With 37,500 American soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines in South Korea, U.S. forces in South Korea are a major presence in the region and a key manifestation of the U.S."

Imagine Canada got literally flattened by Russia and the Russia put a load of troops permanently in Alaska. Wouldn't blame Canada for wanting to defend itself.

 

[Splinty]

You actually believe this shit. Amazing.

It's much easier to mock my posts rather than make your own point that could come under the lens of debate itself. But that ease doesn't make you right for continuing to do it over and over in various threads.

 

[Sheepdog]

It's much easier to mock my posts rather than make your own point that could come under the lens of debate itself. But that ease doesn't make you right for continuing to do it over and over in various threads.

I have made my points already, I don't think there's much to add.

You're right that I shouldn't make flippant attacks on your posts, but I can't believe that you believe the US strategy regarding North Korea is purely defensive or about protecting allies or that it gives a shit about a UN resolution. That's just blatantly false. You are entitled to feel that US aggression towards North Korea is entirely justified, but to act as if it doesn't exist and that North Korea is the cause of every escalation is ridiculous.

Of course the North Koreans play games, it is a despotic, tyrannical regime completely consumed with its own survival.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Which part?

Korean War - Wikipedia

"As with the aerial bombing campaigns over Germany and Japan in World War II, the nominal objective of the U.S. Air Force was to destroy North Korea's war infrastructure and shatter their morale. After MacArthur was removed as Supreme Commander in Korea in April 1951, his successors continued this policy and ultimately extended it to all of North Korea.[316] The U.S. dropped a total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, on Korea, more than during the whole Pacific campaign of World War II.[317][318]

Almost every substantial building in North Korea was destroyed as a result.[319][320] The war's highest-ranking U.S. POW, U.S. Major General William F. Dean,[321] reported that the majority of North Korean cities and villages he saw were either rubble or snow-covered wasteland.[322][323] North Korean factories, schools, hospitals, and government offices were forced to move underground, and air defenses were "non-existent."[318] In November 1950, the North Korean leadership instructed their population to build dugouts and mud huts and to dig underground tunnels, in order to solve the acute housing problem.[324] U.S. Air Force General Curtis LeMay commented, "we went over there and fought the war and eventually burned down every town in North Korea anyway, some way or another, and some in South Korea, too."[325]Pyongyang, which saw 75 percent of its area destroyed, was so devastated that bombing was halted as there were no longer any worthy targets.[326][327] On 28 November, Bomber Command reported on the campaign's progress: 95 percent of Manpojin was destroyed, along with 90 percent of Hoeryong, Namsi and Koindong, 85 percent of Chosan, 75 percent of both Sakchu and Huichon, and 20 percent of Uiju. According to USAF damage assessments, "eighteen of twenty-two major cities in North Korea had been at least half obliterated."[328] By the end of the campaign, US bombers had difficulty in finding targets and were reduced to bombing footbridges or jettisoning their bombs into the sea."

US military presence is reported here:
United States Forces Korea - Wikipedia

"USFK is the joint headquarters through which U.S. combat forces would be sent to the South Korea/US (ROK/U.S.)"

"With 37,500 American soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines in South Korea, U.S. forces in South Korea are a major presence in the region and a key manifestation of the U.S."

Imagine Canada got literally flattened by Russia and the Russia put a load of troops permanently in Alaska. Wouldn't blame Canada for wanting to defend itself.

The part where the war itself was started by the Russian and Chinese backed North.

 

[627]

I know Kim Jung Un is a bad dude and the possibility of him with nukes is scary. However, the US lies so much and is always warhawking. A war with NK would be ugly and may escalate with China involvement. During the Cold War nothing ended up happening, so chill for now.

 

[Leigh]

The part where the war itself was started by the Russian and Chinese backed North.

I didn't make a statement regarding that.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I didn't make a statement regarding that.

Your statement was that NK has every right to be nervous seeing as the United States fucked them up and are still there. I said that isn't a historically accurate statement. The U.S. got fucked up with the aid of the Chinese, who are also still there. The Russians are still there too. You're intentionally leaving out context.