Ricky Simon vs Merab was a judging Failure

[Rambo John J]

for sure is that was not "intelligent defense"

shouldn't the fight be stopped on that criteria alone?

Hope the ref gets a talking to cause if that went on much longer it could be really bad....I still wonder how the guy is doing today.

 

[nuraknu]

he is sticking up for the ref, but he also says he was out a few times before the bell...LOL

hope he at least can admit the ref should have stopped the fight

Pretty sure BJM is being consistent here - he thought Haga should have won at Invicta 21. I found the article:
Celine Haga loses fight result appeal with Missouri commission, considers pursuing case in court

 

[Rambo John J]

Pretty sure BJM is being consistent here - he thought Haga should have won at Invicta 21. I found the article:
Celine Haga loses fight result appeal with Missouri commission, considers pursuing case in court

I like BJM and I agree fully the right man won the bout, and it sounds like Haga got screwed

My only issue is that he calls out some fan for questioning how it was handled or the outcome and mentions the guy was out a 'few times"...and he doesn't say the fight should have been stopped, or mention the Referee's failure to do so...choking an guy out multiple times as the Ref watches from feet away is not a good look for MMA

 

[nuraknu]

I like BJM and I agree fully the right man won the bout, and it sounds like Haga got screwed

My only issue is that he calls out some fan for questioning how it was handled or the outcome and mentions the guy was out a 'few times"...and he doesn't say the fight should have been stopped, or mention the Referee's failure to do so...choking an guy out multiple times as the Ref watches from feet away is not a good look for MMA

I think he meant for some time and mistyped. He can get kind of confrontational online; depends on his mood imo.

*Actually, in this case, he is criticizing the ref I guess, because it was up to the ref to call it a finish, right? I'm not sure if he had other tweets also.

 

[SC MMA MD]

It's just a nervous system disconnect, once blood flow starts again, or they get woken up from that concussion they've likely suffered from, systems tend to get reset.... @SC MMA MD what's the science/physiology behind this?

Pretty much exactly that I believe. The twitching you see when someone is KO’d or choked out are essentially spasms as the brain gets going again. The seemingly volitional movements when someone is almost out or first recovering from being out are harder to explain, likely the result of the brain not comprehending that it was “off” for a moment and trying to pick up where it left off. I have seen this most frequently when someone is KO’d and then they start trying to grapple me or the ref when they start coming to. I have never seen someone who was choked out do any volitional movements when the come back to, they are usually just really confused for a moment. The couple times I have been out I woke up confused for a few seconds and then was fine. I have never been involved in a situation like the one in the video where someone was nearly choked out for such a long period of time. I think he was nearly out (hence the pause when the choke was released before he moved), but it should not be possible to move your legs like that if you are fully out.

 

[Rambo John J]

Pretty much exactly that I believe. The twitching you see when someone is KO’d or choked out are essentially spasms as the brain gets going again. The seemingly volitional movements when someone is almost out or first recovering from being out are harder to explain, likely the result of the brain not comprehending that it was “off” for a moment and trying to pick up where it left off. I have seen this most frequently when someone is KO’d and then they start trying to grapple me or the ref when they start coming to. I have never seen someone who was choked out do any volitional movements when the come back to, they are usually just really confused for a moment. The couple times I have been out I woke up confused for a few seconds and then was fine. I have never been involved in a situation like the one in the video where someone was nearly choked out for such a long period of time. I think he was nearly out (hence the pause when the choke was released before he moved), but it should not be possible to move your legs like that if you are fully out.

good stuff...being an MMA doc must be a wild gig

 

[jason73]

 

[Joemacka]

You get that refs make mistakes and instant replay is there for a reason right?

It was victory by submission

I wish they had instant replay when bisping and Anderson fought so Anderson would have got his damn finish like he should have

Watch the gif I posted above and please explain to me why his leg is still twitching after Simon gets off?

Dude was out

Lol Bisping wasnt even out bro come on, people over exaggerate that knee. He was hurt not out.

 

[Joemacka]

@SensoriaUtopia i dont usually agree with you but i do here.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

@SensoriaUtopia i dont usually agree with you but i do here.

LOL, I know.

I think you see I have a point. Goddard fucked up horribly bad, or whoever made the call fucked up. They where guessing the guy was out, there was no clear proof. The right guy won, Ricky Simon, but in the wrong way. Simon won because I gave him rds 2 and 3, this was a bullshit move.

 

[Gay For Longo]

Lol Bisping wasnt even out bro come on, people over exaggerate that knee. He was hurt not out.

I'm a big bisping fan and not really a fan of Anderson anymore after all the bs
But he was out of it there
Anderson fucked up by not capitalising on it and doing a walk off, but I'll always think Anderson deserved that finish

 

[Ted Williams' head]

The only wrong call is that it should have been scored a submission

Watch dudes leg still kicking after Simon gets off him
Dude was out and then snapped back

Simon won that fight by finish
Thank God they instituted instant replay so they get these things right

View: https://gfycat.com/graciousimmenseelephantbeetle

Yup dude was unconscious and then snapped back, by the look of it.

 

[Gay For Longo]

LOL, I know.

I think you see I have a point. Goddard fucked up horribly bad, or whoever made the call fucked up. They where guessing the guy was out, there was no clear proof. The right guy won, Ricky Simon, but in the wrong way. Simon won because I gave him rds 2 and 3, this was a bullshit move.

Did you score round 3 as a 10-8?
I know you agree the right guy won, I'm just thinking for the guys who gave dvali rounds 1 and 2 and feel it should have went to the cards , at best, he got a draw

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Did you score round 3 as a 10-8?
I know you agree the right guy won, I'm just thinking for the guys who gave dvali rounds 1 and 2 and feel it should have went to the cards , at best, he got a draw

The right guy won, dvali only won rd 1, simon edged out rd 2 and clearly won rd 3, no rounds where a 10 8 this fight

The right won the fight, my problem is the bullshit call afterwards. You can't have a guy go 15 minutes, make it all the way, then after the fact determine he was finished and call it a finish by tko or sub, its just flat out wrong.

Even if you see the guy was out, dont matter, ref let it go on, and the crazy thing is at no point, no matter what a few on here say, at no point can anyone look in the mirror and say with 100% clarity that Dvali was out, they can only guess.

Just like in the NFL, if you fuck up a call and catch it before the next play, all good, but you cannot fuck up a call, let 3 plays happen, then go back and start again.

What if you audit previous fights and see a guy that won by dec was actually ko'd for 2 seconds and the ref missed it, do you go back and change it to a ko loss LOL, no you don't same issue here.

this was amazingly stupid to make this call, unreal and unbelivable.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Yup dude was unconscious and then snapped back, by the look of it.

hot trash, he was never out or never proven to be out, you can only guess and you cannot change a fight call based on that.

 

[Filthy]

hot trash, he was never out or never proven to be out, you can only guess and you cannot change a fight call based on that.

the ref stood over him and looked in his eyes. Then the ref turned and waved off the fight. The ref can't break the hold to assess consciousness while the fight is going. When the horn sounds, the ref breaks the hold and assessed the fighter was out.

Unless you're contending that he went out from having the choke released, the right guy won in the right way.

 

[Gay For Longo]

The right guy won, dvali only won rd 1, simon edged out rd 2 and clearly won rd 3, no rounds where a 10 8 this fight

The right won the fight, my problem is the bullshit call afterwards. You can't have a guy go 15 minutes, make it all the way, then after the fact determine he was finished and call it a finish by tko or sub, its just flat out wrong.

if you see the guy was out, dont matter, ref let it go on, and the crazy thing is at no point, no matter what a few on here say, at no point can anyone look in the mirror and say with 100% clarity that Dvali was out, they can only guess.

Just like in the NFL, if you fuck up a call and catch it before the next play, all good, but you cannot fuck up a call, let 3 plays happen, then go back and start again.

What if you audit previous fights and see a guy that won by dec was actually ko'd for 2 seconds and the ref missed it, do you go back and change it to a ko loss LOL, no you don't same issue here.

this was amazingly stupid to make this call, unreal and unbelivable.

Round 3 was most definitely 10-8 if they don't call it a finish
If you have a guy not even defending for a full minute, 1 it should be stopped due to tko (if the fighter does not go out or tap) because the fighter is not intelligently defending himself
2. if the ref is a complete idiot and does not stop it, then its an obvious 10-8
I don't see how you could not score that 10-8

"You can't have a guy go 15 minutes, make it all the way, then after the fact determine he was finished and call it a finish by tko or sub"

Again incorrect, it literally just happened, so obviously this can happen

"if you see the guy was out, dont matter, ref let it go on, and the crazy thing is at no point, no matter what a few on here say, at no point can anyone look in the mirror and say with 100% clarity that Dvali was out, they can only guess."
But it does matter, they brought video replay into the sport for reasons like this and thankfully it is helping making correct calls when refs completely fuck up
For one, I feel perfectly comfortable looking in the mirror and telling myself he was out
The same thing can also be played towards your opinion you know right
You only think he didn't go out, it is only a guess

"Just like in the NFL, if you fuck up a call and catch it before the next play, all good, but you cannot fuck up a call, let 3 plays happen, then go back and start again."
Ya man, that's in their rule book
Can you please show me the rule in mma where this applies because I believe you are wrong
My evidence would be that they literally just did it
You can have an opinion that you think video replay should not apply here, but as of right now, that's how it works, and rightfully so imo because there are so many unqualified and incapable refs currently

"What if you audit previous fights and see a guy that won by dec was actually ko'd for 2 seconds and the ref missed it, do you go back and change it to a ko loss LOL, no you don't same issue here."
Imo, that would be amazing and the right thing to do but I believe there is some writing that previous decisions are not to he reviewed
If there is not This writing then 100% they should do this
Why are you against the person who finished the fight (even if only for 2 seconds) being declare the Victor?

"this was amazingly stupid to make this call, unreal and unbelivable."
You are entitled to this opinion but as of now this is how the video replay rules apply in this sport
I would advise you to write to UFC, WME, and/or the athletic commissions with your opinions and see if they can make an amendment to the rules


Now that I've gone through all of that
Can you answer my one question I asked to you?
Can you please explain why his leg is still twitching after Simon releases the choke and gets off him
Or we just going to leave that part out

I guess I have another one
What is the definition of a tko?

It was a tko due to technical submission as big John said
This means it does not even matter if dvali was out of not (we just all have a different opinion on that)
I could be wrong, but I believe this means they decided with the help of video replay that dvali was not intelligently defending himself at some point due to the submission
Like the entire last 15-25seconds

 

[Gay For Longo]

hot trash, he was never out or never proven to be out, you can only guess and you cannot change a fight call based on that.

Understand that this does not matter due to the call
It was a tko due to technical submission
Not a submission
It don't matter if he went out
Went his hands went fucking limp at 20seconds left
The fight should have been called and thankfully they have new rules to make these calls correct

Edit: way too many spelling fuck ups in these two posts from me I'm not even going to edit them lol

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

the ref stood over him and looked in his eyes. Then the ref turned and waved off the fight. The ref can't break the hold to assess consciousness while the fight is going. When the horn sounds, the ref breaks the hold and assessed the fighter was out.

Unless you're contending that he went out from having the choke released, the right guy won in the right way.

WTF LOL, ref let the guy fight till the fight was over, he never waved anything off so me the gif. Show me where the ref stopped the fight pre bell and waved it off, waiting.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Understand that this does not matter due to the call
It was a tko due to technical submission
Not a submission
It don't matter if he went out
Went his hands went fucking limp at 20seconds left
The fight should have been called and thankfully they have new rules to make these calls correct

Edit: way too many spelling fuck ups in these two posts from me I'm not even going to edit them lol

You must have missed the part where the ref checked at 20 secs or , and Merab moved enough and showed enough to keep the fight going, look at the fight again. It kept looking like Merab was gonna go out, ref would then over and over check on him, and saw he was okay and let him keep going. Then the literally second the fight is over, Merab is moving, with his eyes open, simply resting. Why the fuck if I am a fighter would I have to make some kind of move post fight, after 15 minutes is done, to show the ref I am in the fight, the fight has ended.

This was a horrible horrible call, face it we will never agree on this. There is no gray area here, this was fuckery by the refs. Right guy won but the call was horrible and it better never happen again, the sport already has enough insane logistics.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

@Gay for Longo

Also, lets say there was a fight earlier on the card. Say the fight went 3 rounds, 15 minutes like this did. Say fighter A won the fight, but 45 minutes later, a ref auditing notices the fighter A or B was ko'd back in rd 1 for a few sec's and the ref missed it, are you saying we should go back and call that a rd 1 ko even after ref let it go all the way.

That's crazy. You can only correct shit when it happens in real times, if you let a sequence pass, and you let another sequence happen you can't go back 3 sequences to change it after the fact, that's some butterfly effect boolsheet lol

Also, the worse part of the Merab part, there is not even proof the guy was ever out, only guessing that is what takes this to a completley different level of insane stupidity by the ref or refs who made the call post fight.

 

[Gay For Longo]

You must have missed the part where the ref checked at 20 secs or , and Merab moved enough and showed enough to keep the fight going, look at the fight again. It kept looking like Merab was gonna go out, ref would then over and over check on him, and saw he was okay and let him keep going. Then the literally second the fight is over, Merab is moving, with his eyes open, simply resting. Why the fuck if I am a fighter would I have to make some kind of move post fight, after 15 minutes is done, to show the ref I am in the fight, the fight has ended.

This was a horrible horrible call, face it we will never agree on this. There is no gray area here, this was fuckery by the refs. Right guy won but the call was horrible and it better never happen again, the sport already has enough insane logistics.

So ya, not going to answer those questions at all eh
That's what I thought

It was a tko, if you can not see that, you're just as bad as that shitty ref

You can try to keep the troll going on this one if you would like but it really is showing your lack of knowledge of the sport

A tko (which this fight was scored) does not require the fighter to go unconscious

I'm hoping this is just a bad troll and you know how the rules work more than you are displaying

 

[Gay For Longo]

@Gay for Longo

Also, lets say there was a fight earlier on the card. Say the fight went 3 rounds, 15 minutes like this did. Say fighter A won the fight, but 45 minutes later, a ref auditing notices the fighter A or B was ko'd back in rd 1 for a few sec's and the ref missed it, are you saying we should go back and call that a rd 1 ko even after ref let it go all the way.

That's crazy. You can only correct shit when it happens in real times, if you let a sequence pass, and you let another sequence happen you can't go back 3 sequences to change it after the fact, that's some butterfly effect boolsheet lol

Also, the worse part of the Merab part, there is not even proof the guy was ever out, only guessing that is what takes this to a completley different level of insane stupidity by the ref or refs who made the call post fight.

"Also, lets say there was a fight earlier on the card. Say the fight went 3 rounds, 15 minutes like this did. Say fighter A won the fight, but 45 minutes later, a ref auditing notices the fighter A or B was ko'd back in rd 1 for a few sec's and the ref missed it, are you saying we should go back and call that a rd 1 ko even after ref let it go all the way."

Homie these are the last ones I answer until you answer my question

Yes, they should 100% declare the fighter who finished the other the victor, because the finished the other person, it does not matter for how long
There are so many shit refs, they should be reviewing every fucking fight
For a 4b dollar company, fucking fight they should
But I already answered that earlier

"Also, the worse part of the Merab part, there is not even proof the guy was ever out, only guessing that is what takes this to a completley different level of insane stupidity by the ref or refs who made the call post fight."

Jesus fucking Christ do you even read my posts
The mother fucker did not have to go out
He wasn't fucking intelligently defending himself for over 15 seconds

Again at around 20seconds both of his hands go completely limp and fall to the ground
About 5 seconds later the ref goes to check and he comes to and gives a thumbs up, that's how I saw it

But that does not matter

It was a tko
Not a fucking submission victory

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Also, lets say there was a fight earlier on the card. Say the fight went 3 rounds, 15 minutes like this did. Say fighter A won the fight, but 45 minutes later, a ref auditing notices the fighter A or B was ko'd back in rd 1 for a few sec's and the ref missed it, are you saying we should go back and call that a rd 1 ko even after ref let it go all the way.

Homie these are the last ones I answer until you answer my question

Yes, they should 100% declare the fighter who finished the other the victor, because the finished the other person, it does not matter for how long
There are so many shit refs, they should be reviewing every fucking fight
For a 4b dollar company, fucking fight they should
But I already answered that earlier

Also, the worse part of the Merab part, there is not even proof the guy was ever out, only guessing that is what takes this to a completley different level of insane stupidity by the ref or refs who made the call post fight.

Jesus fucking Christ do you even read my posts
The mother fucker did not have to go out
He wasn't fucking intelligently defending himself for over 15 seconds

Again at around 20seconds both of his hands go completely limp and fall to the ground
About 5 seconds later the ref goes to check and he comes to and gives a thumbs up, that's how I saw it

But that does not matter

It was a tko
Not a fucking submission victory

TKO, sub, both are wrong calls. Dude never went out, and was doing just enough to move, you seem to avoid the hundred times the ref was about to stop it and then checked and saw the guy moving and awake.


Bullshit, straight bullshit.

 

[Gay For Longo]

Ok
I'm calm again lol
Getting frustrated over nothing here

Think I need a bowl lol