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Wild

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They do get arrested by local law enforcement pretty routinely. Are you saying the feds should step in, label them a terrorist group and ship them off to Fed pen or Gitmo is what I'm asking.
Yeah, sure. Why not. Their only agenda is to cause damage, so fuck em. I don’t care if they go to the county jail, Gauntanomo, or the moon. As long as they just go away. Same for several other “activist” groups out there...KKK included. These groups do nothing but cause division and harm to average Americans that just want to live peacefully and be left the fuck alone.
 

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Yeah, sure. Why not. Their only agenda is to cause damage, so fuck em. I don’t care if they go to the county jail, Gauntanomo, or the moon. As long as they just go away. Same for several other “activist” groups out there...KKK included. These groups do nothing but cause division and harm to average Americans that just want to live peacefully and be left the fuck alone.
So do you believe there is any circumstance that merits assembly and protest? Peace is a relative concept and no one's agenda is just to cause damage.

Have you ever personally seen an Antifa protest? A KKK march?
 

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run it thru a few proxies and they take their cut and you have funded "protests" to push any agenda

sad shit

most folks probably have no idea what I'm talking about and that is double sad

 

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run it thru a few proxies and they take their cut and you have funded "protests" to push any agenda

sad shit

most folks probably have no idea what I'm talking about and that is double sad
I really really wish you guys knew the reality of old Georgie. You'd be so seriously disappointed.
 

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So do you believe there is any circumstance that merits assembly and protest? Peace is a relative concept and no one's agenda is just to cause damage.

Have you ever personally seen an Antifa protest? A KKK march?
Never attended a protest of any sort in my life. Sure there’s plenty of circumstances that merit peaceful protest. Those turds however, are anything but peaceful.
 

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Never attended a protest of any sort in my life. Sure there’s plenty of circumstances that merit peaceful protest. Those turds however, are anything but peaceful.
I think you should definitely attend a protest, at least as a spectator. They can be exciting sometimes, but mostly dull and mundane, but they're part of American life, no less than publishing a newspaper, firing a gun or eating a 7000 calorie meal. Antifa generally just roams through the streets looking not at all menacing (because they're mostly kids), but doing little at the few protests I've seen them at. There are definitely some lunatics drawn to their odd quasi movement though, just as there are people who brawl at UFCs or get stupid at soccer games. I don't have much use for them, but to call them terrorists when you've never even seen them in person and are mostly seeing media hot takes is a bit much. Throwing the word terrorist around lumps people in with actual murderers and justifies taking away their rights freedoms under our current laws. Then again, those psychos who dumped the tea in the Boston harbor were called terrorists once upon a time, as was that nutcase who raided Harper's Ferry.
 

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I really really wish you guys knew the reality of old Georgie. You'd be so seriously disappointed.
I am not U guys...the moment you stereo type you are showing that you have been played to divide and conquer
I am a single person with a single perspective

I am open ears if you want to inform me about Old Georgie
 

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I am not U guys...the moment you stereo type you are showing that you have been played to divide and conquer
I am a single person with a single perspective

I am open ears if you want to inform me about Old Georgie
He's mostly a bumbling clown when it comes to his philanthropic ventures and quasi-political activity. He doesn't make funding decisions, but his kids and other family members do have a lot of pet projects that they're into that they mostly hear about randomly on the internet or at dinner parties. His staff is largely overworked and people rotate in and out of there on a regular basis. There's still a lot of money in the pot so they throw it around through a blind bidding process where initiatives can get funded, but at least half fall into those pet project categories. At this point, I've known a handful of people who worked for the company and I know even more who get funded from them. George is old not as involved if he ever was. I think it's hilarious how often his name is invoked as this weird left boogeyman because his money and his organization (Open Society) is so scattered. If people want to form conspiracies, they should be looking at Bezos.
 

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Never attended a protest of any sort in my life. Sure there’s plenty of circumstances that merit peaceful protest. Those turds however, are anything but peaceful.
One thing I do think the right could be better at is protesting.

The right wing does not protest a whole lot. Some people on the right even act like it's somehow undignified or even un-patriotic to protest, when you could argue that the opposite is actually true. Protesting is as American as apple pie, which is why it's protected by the Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble."

I think the general attitude may be because protesting is something that is often seen as a "leftist activity," but the right needs to get over that and make more of an effort to make their voices known, not just individually but as a group.
 

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That's not quite how we define terrorism. Neo-nazis also terrorize people and because they connect their ideology to a much deadlier history at that. Terrorist is a pretty serious label to apply a bunch of mostly young kids who are protesting mostly non-violently with a few flare ups. I think their tactics and organization are mostly a dumpster fire of stupidity, but would you actually compare them to ISIS, the IRA or Timothy McVeigh?
A deadlier history than communism? I'll ask some of my Khmer friends about it.
 

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A deadlier history than communism? I'll ask some of my Khmer friends about it.
Antifa doesn't have any connection to communism or socialist party politics. There are anarchists, communists, democrats and probably even some apolitical people in the group. Their ideology is broadly anti-XXX. That's why I have little use for them.
 

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I think you should definitely attend a protest, at least as a spectator. They can be exciting sometimes, but mostly dull and mundane, but they're part of American life, no less than publishing a newspaper, firing a gun or eating a 7000 calorie meal. Antifa generally just roams through the streets looking not at all menacing (because they're mostly kids), but doing little at the few protests I've seen them at. There are definitely some lunatics drawn to their odd quasi movement though, just as there are people who brawl at UFCs or get stupid at soccer games. I don't have much use for them, but to call them terrorists when you've never even seen them in person and are mostly seeing media hot takes is a bit much. Throwing the word terrorist around lumps people in with actual murderers and justifies taking away their rights freedoms under our current laws. Then again, those psychos who dumped the tea in the Boston harbor were called terrorists once upon a time, as was that nutcase who raided Harper's Ferry.
My wife has attended several protests (Right to Life, special needs) but it’s just not my thing. I feel like they bring the worst out of people (gang mentality), which is the opposite of what they’re supposedly trying to accomplish.
 

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Antifa doesn't have any connection to communism or socialist party politics. There are anarchists, communists, democrats and probably even some apolitical people in the group. Their ideology is broadly anti-XXX. That's why I have little use for them.
It seems to me that their most direction connection is to fascism. Silence dissenting voices and crush alternative perspectives, by force if necessary. Only respect the rights of those who fall under the purview of their particular brand of groupthink.
 

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My wife has attended several protests (Right to Life, special needs) but it’s just not my thing. I feel like they bring the worst out of people (gang mentality), which is the opposite of what they’re supposedly trying to accomplish.
I feel the same. I get bored at them mostly, but they're worth seeing. It's usually a young crowd, certainly younger than us, and their enthusiasm to at least do something is admirable if a little tedious after awhile.
 

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My wife has attended several protests (Right to Life, special needs) but it’s just not my thing. I feel like they bring the worst out of people (gang mentality), which is the opposite of what they’re supposedly trying to accomplish.
Yeah, this is the dark side, I think.

When people protest, they should do it respectfully. It should be a kind of communication with the other side, not just yelling at them.
 

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It seems to me that their most direction connection is to fascism. Silence dissenting voices and crush alternative perspectives, by force if necessary. Only respect the rights of those who fall under the purview of their particular brand of groupthink.
That's not really what fascism means or what groupthink means.

Fascism requires belief in marshaling the power of the state behind a supreme leader in hopes of advancing a narrowly defined nationalist agenda. Groupthink is an internal psychological condition that's indicated by clustering around ideas and not being able to accept rational ones as valid. Are you saying the groups Antifa protests (typically white nationalists) are propounding a rational view?
 

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He's mostly a bumbling clown when it comes to his philanthropic ventures and quasi-political activity. He doesn't make funding decisions, but his kids and other family members do have a lot of pet projects that they're into that they mostly hear about randomly on the internet or at dinner parties. His staff is largely overworked and people rotate in and out of there on a regular basis. There's still a lot of money in the pot so they throw it around through a blind bidding process where initiatives can get funded, but at least half fall into those pet project categories. At this point, I've known a handful of people who worked for the company and I know even more who get funded from them. George is old not as involved if he ever was. I think it's hilarious how often his name is invoked as this weird left boogeyman because his money and his organization (Open Society) is so scattered. If people want to form conspiracies, they should be looking at Bezos.
thank you for the response

I am looking at both FYI

"George" is a reference to his power and agenda as you posted about...do I think that old fuck is calling every shot? hell no

"IF people wanna form conspiracies?" LOL....I don't form them bro, I observe them
 
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Another fundamental element missing in this discussion is that leftist groups typically organize on the basis of collective action being the only available lever to put pressure on the state, which frequently puts them into open conflict with the state.
The msm in the u.s. has an undeniable left-wing bias.
You likely didn't see right wing groups on the move during the Obama administration in the same way as you see Antifa today because there wasn't an actual courtship of extremists by the President of the United States meriting that response. Trumpito had Bannon in his administration, still has Miller, played the "both sides" card during Charlottesville and has engaged in jingoist rhetoric as his main strategy.
In the aftermath of that one 17 year-old kid who was shot when he was beating some dude up, Obama commented something to the effect of He could have been my son.
I'd say that's courting extremism. He knew full-well the reality he was ignoring with that statement. And it was entirely predictable that it would inflame and not quell violent people on the left (people who were looking for an excuse to commit crime). During the Obama regime, there was occupy Wall Street, more leftist yayhoos trying to make something change by getting together and hanging out.
Leftists in the U.S. seem to have more free time on their hands from how I observe it from the outside.

To pretend he's just a run of the mill conservative in office comparable to any of the last several presidents is disingenuous
I'm neither a Trump supporter nor detractor, AND I don't follow u.s. politics that much. But I wonder, his bullshit rhetoric aside, what policies the guy has enacted to warrant that description.
 

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I feel the same. I get bored at them mostly, but they're worth seeing. It's usually a young crowd, certainly younger than us, and their enthusiasm to at least do something is admirable if a little tedious after awhile.
I can people watch at the mall :)
 

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That's not really what fascism means or what groupthink means.

Fascism requires belief in marshaling the power of the state behind a supreme leader in hopes of advancing a narrowly defined nationalist agenda. Groupthink is an internal psychological condition that's indicated by clustering around ideas and not being able to accept rational ones as valid.
If these people could somehow accomplish exactly that then they probably would. I have little doubt that many of them would be more than happy to topple American democracy if they could and establish a new authoritarian regime in its place.

My point, as should be clear, is that they have a viewpoint and believe they are justified in doing whatever is necessary to achieve their goals, giving no thought or concern to the rights of others who think and believe differently. They believe this is okay because they are morally justified by being "right."

I am reminded of the documentary The Weather Underground--one of my favorite docs of all time BTW--and one of the former Weathermen recounts his time in the group and says, "When you believe you have right on your side you can do some pretty horrific things."

So much fucked up shit has happened in the world because people got suffused with a sense of righteousness because they became convinced that they were the good and moral ones and those who disagreed with them were evil and needed to be stopped at all costs.

Are you saying the groups Antifa protests (typically white nationalists) are propounding a rational view?
I take a lot of issue with white nationalists because I think their philosophy is thoroughly un-American.

Even beyond all the racial stuff, their political philosophy is incompatible with American values. Richard Spencer, for instance, I know has said that he's not a fan of democracy and that his proposed white ethno-state would espouse socialism. Quite literally Nazi shit.

But regardless of how I feel about it, I still respect their right to think, believe and say whatever they want. The first amendment, after all, was not put in place to protect popular speech, but rather to protect unpopular speech. I think that fringe voices challenge our dedication to free thought and free speech, so if you decide that these people need to be silenced then you failed the test.
 

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I could watch him slap the table 100 times & laugh 100 times


I think he is a plant to discredit lots of legit conspiracies, and I hate that part of him....but I do enjoy his act/acting

plus I have a soft spot for frogs
 
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