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Kav will be confirmed as Supreme Court Justice???

  • Yes, he's voted into the Supreme Court

  • No, the vote fails or his nomination is withdrawn


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Ted Williams' head

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You know what I find distasteful? I find it distasteful that no-one who is "mad" at my posts is insightful enough to see I was actually exposing the obvious hypocrisy on this topic. Especially on this very thread.
So here it is in picture form:
This is what this topic has become. Whether you admit it or not, is up to you, but don't get mad at me for exposing it.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Harvard Says Kavanaugh Won’t Be Teaching His Supreme Court Class In January
Harvard Law School dean John F. Manning informed students last week that, although he couldn’t say whether Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh would still be teaching his January class, called The Supreme Court Since 2005, the school was still taking its students’ concerns seriously. But now the school has told students that Kavanaugh’s course, which he’s been teaching since 2009, would not be offered in 2019.

The email, which was sent at 7:55 p.m. Eastern time Monday, says:

Today, Judge Kavanaugh indicated that he can no longer commit to teaching his course in January Term 2019, so the course will not be offered.

Sent on behalf of the Law School’s Curriculum Committee.

Harvard Law students haven’t received any other information about the cancellation yet, but one student reported “tons of speculation right now.”

It’s unclear if the class will ever be offered again, though Kavanaugh’s faculty page now redirects to the general faculty directory. You can still find his original page on the Internet Archive.
 

Hauler

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So as a non American is whta gioinf on?
Positioning our chips in a way that allows us to crush all of our enemies with unrelenting domination.

Pay no mind. Nothing to see here.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I would vote 'no' even though I feel like Ford's story is wonky.
I apologize for quoting you specifically, because it's not directed at you as I'm seeing a lot of it everywhere. But this might be my favorite part of this whole thing.

One of the people whom would be tasked with overseeing that the rights of American are upheld, is having one of those rights withheld from him.
 

b00ts

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Can’t wait for the tears when he’s confirmed.
 
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I Know Brett Kavanaugh, but I Wouldn’t Confirm Him - The Atlantic

Kavanaugh, needless to say, did not take my advice. He stayed in, and he delivered on Thursday, by way of defense, a howl of rage. He went on the attack not against Ford—for that we can be grateful—but against Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee and beyond. His opening statement was an unprecedentedly partisan outburst of emotion from a would-be justice. I do not begrudge him the emotion, even the anger. He has been through a kind of hell that would leave any person gasping for air. But I cannot condone the partisanship—which was raw, undisguised, naked, and conspiratorial—from someone who asks for public faith as a dispassionate and impartial judicial actor. His performance was wholly inconsistent with the conduct we should expect from a member of the judiciary.

Consider the judicial function as described by Kavanaugh himself at his first hearing. That Brett Kavanaugh described a “good judge [as] an umpire—a neutral and impartial arbiter who favors no litigant or policy.” That Brett Kavanaugh reminded us that “the Supreme Court must never be viewed as a partisan institution. The justices on the Supreme Court do not sit on opposite sides of an aisle. They do not caucus in separate rooms.”

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As Charlie Sykes, a thoughtful conservative commentator sympathetic to Kavanaugh, put it on The Weekly Standard’s podcast Friday, “Even if you support Brett Kavanaugh … that was breathtaking as an abandonment of any pretense of having a judicial temperament.” Sykes went on: “It’s possible, I think, to have been angry, emotional, and passionate without crossing the lines that he crossed—assuming that there are any lines anymore.”

Kavanaugh blew across lines that I believe a justice still needs to hold.

The Brett Kavanaugh who showed up to Thursday’s hearing is a man I have never met, whom I have never even caught a glimpse of in 20 years of knowing the person who showed up to the first hearing. I dealt with Kavanaugh during the Starr investigation, which I covered for the Washington Post editorial page and about which I wrote a book. I dealt with him when he was in the White House counsel’s office and working on judicial nominations and post–September 11 legal matters. Since his confirmation to the D.C. Circuit, he has been a significant voice on a raft of issues I work on. In all of our interactions, he has been a consummate professional. The allegations against him shocked me very deeply, but not quite so deeply as did his presentation. It was not just an angry and aggressive version of the person I have known. It seemed like a different person altogether.
This is an interesting rebuttal of kav from a supporter. Surely Kavanaugh is angry and under attack. But did he cross lines a justice should not cross? The article makes a convincing case as such.

Kavs rebuttal sells well as a politician. but if we breathe and think about him as a Justice that must stay neutral even when he has personal opinions, is this the appropriate response making public partisan statements?

Leaving the moment and thinking about any justice arguing that the Republicans Or democrats are out to get him or her...I find the argument against him compelling.
 

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So do we know if Trump has a backup plan? Is there a 2nd choice for him in case this Kavanaugh thing doesn't get better?
 

jason73

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So do we know if Trump has a backup plan? Is there a 2nd choice for him in case this Kavanaugh thing doesn't get better?
im sure diane fieistein and creepy porn lawyer avenatti have a back up plan that includes several witnesses and a couple rape victims of whoever the second choice nominee will be. doesnt matter who it is . this is what politics has become
 

Lukewarm Carl

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Has anyone else seen the "Confirm Kav" commercials on TV? It's pretty wild that it's gotten to the point that a PAC is running campaign style ads about an appointment position.
 

Lukewarm Carl

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That would be so awesome.
I mean... Garland was regarded as a decent nomination by the Rs until Barry O actually put him up and then McConnell and Co shit all over that idea... So that would be the ultimate move from Trump in pissing everyone off.
 

KWingJitsu

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I mean... Garland was regarded as a decent nomination by the Rs until Barry O actually put him up and then McConnell and Co shit all over that idea... So that would be the ultimate move from Trump in pissing everyone off.
Except for one thing... Trump would never be caught dead repeating something Obama did - even if it was saving a dying baby.

He'd more likely nominate his crim sister following his penchant for nepotism....And it would be more hilarious.

Trump's retired federal judge sister is heavily implicated in NY Times report on family tax evasion
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Kavanaugh’s 1983 Letter Offers Inside Look at High School Clique
The beachfront property was rented, the guests were invited and an ever-organized Brett M. Kavanaugh had some advice for the seven Georgetown Preparatory School classmates who would be joining him for the weeklong escapade.

In a 1983 letter, a copy of which was reviewed by The New York Times, the young Judge Kavanaugh warned his friends of the danger of eviction from an Ocean City, Md., condo. In a neatly written postscript, he added: Whoever arrived first at the condo should “warn the neighbors that we’re loud, obnoxious drunks with prolific pukers among us. Advise them to go about 30 miles...”

More than three decades later, the elite, privileged high school world that Judge Kavanaugh inhabited is the focus of international attention. He has been accused of sexual assault during his time at Georgetown Prep — claims that have delayed, and threatened to derail, his confirmation to the Supreme Court. Judge Kavanaugh denies the allegations.


Recent interviews with more than a dozen classmates and friends from that time depict Judge Kavanaugh as a member of a small clique of football players who dominated Georgetown Prep’s work-hard, play-hard culture. His circle celebrated a culture of heavy drinking, even by the standards of that era.
Now several members of that group — still tightknit decades later — are caught up in the controversy surrounding Judge Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination.

With the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s background check into the judge reopened, two of his closest high school friends, Mark Judge and Patrick J. Smyth, have been interviewed by F.B.I. agents. Another, Tim Gaudette, was named in Judge Kavanaugh’s testimony as the host of a July 1982 gathering, around the time that Christine Blasey Ford says she was assaulted. Mr. Gaudette has hired a lawyer to represent him and was interviewed by the F.B.I. on Tuesday, the lawyer said.

A different classmate, who was friendly with Judge Kavanaugh and requested anonymity to protect his business interests, said he had reached out to the F.B.I. because he believes the judge misrepresented the extent of his drinking during his Senate testimony last week.

Even the faculty adviser to Georgetown Prep’s 1983 yearbook — a publication littered with debasing comments about women and references to drunken debauchery — has been wondering whether he will hear from the F.B.I., a family member said.

The judge has said that he attended high school parties. “Sometimes I had too many beers,” he testified, adding that he has “cringed” at some
As Judge Brett Kavanaugh faces an F.B.I. investigation into the sexual assault accusations against him, his remarks about drinking have come under scrutiny. Here’s what he has said.Published OnSept. 19, 2018CreditCreditImage by Pool photo by Erin Schaff
Parties, in the backyards of classmates’ suburban homes when their parents were away, would often attract hundreds of students from nearby private schools, his classmates recall. Five or 10 kegs would be procured and, if all went as planned, drained by the end of the night.

One night during his senior year, according to classmates who witnessed it, Judge Kavanaugh triumphantly hoisted an empty beer keg above his head, in recognition that he and his friends were well on their way to reaching their goal of polishing off 100 kegs during the academic year — an achievement they later boasted about in their yearbook.

Four Georgetown Prep classmates said they saw Judge Kavanaugh and his friends partake in binge-drinking rituals many weekends in which other partygoers saw them inebriated, even having difficulty standing. Three of those classmates signed a July letter, along with more than 150 other alumni, that endorsed him for the Supreme Court.

Through his lawyers, Judge Kavanaugh declined to comment for this article, other than to say of his letter: “This is a note I wrote to organize ‘Beach Week’ in the summer of 1983.”

Kerri Kupec, a White House spokeswoman, said: “It seems The New York Times is committed to embarrassing Judge Kavanaugh with three-decade-old stories of adolescent drinking.”

Judge Kavanaugh, an only child and sports fanatic, surrounded himself in high school with athletes. Among his closest friends, classmates said, were Mr. Judge, Christopher C. Garrett and Don Urgo Jr. Other members of the clique included Mr. Gaudette and DeLancey Davis.

“Academically, athletically and socially, we all became literally almost like brothers,” Mr. Urgo said in an interview with The Times in July. He got to know Judge Kavanaugh as a fellow altar boy in elementary school. “We had a particular esprit de corps, a zest for life, as a group.”

They played basketball and board games. They also drank.

“It was part of the social life,” said Tobin Finizio, now a radiologist who was then the football team’s quarterback. “In the late ’70s and early ’80s, if you look at the statistics, underage drinking was fairly prevalent. We look at it now and say, ‘Oh my God, that was crazy.’”

Judge Kavanaugh — nicknamed “Bart” after a Georgetown Prep teacher garbled “Brett” — sometimes acted as a restraining influence. One night, a friend named Sean Feeley was out of control. Judge Kavanaugh pulled him aside and whispered three words: “Come on, Sean.” Mr. Feeley today credits Judge Kavanaugh with knowing how to calm classmates without them losing face.

Judge Kavanaugh and his friends had their own language and traditions. There was Mr. Garrett, nicknamed early on as “Squee” because of his resemblance to an upperclassman with a similar last name.

When he drank, Mr. Garrett would stutter words that began with the letter F. It became such a joke that many football teammates, including Judge Kavanaugh and Mr. Garrett himself, had “FFFFF” references in their personal yearbook pages. Mr. Garrett, now a middle-school teacher in Georgia, sometimes hosted gatherings, including one when the Washington Redskins won the 1983 Super Bowl. Classmates said some seniors were too hung over to attend school the next day.

Another football player, Mr. Davis, was the heartthrob of the bunch, classmates said. They thought he looked like the singer Rick Springfield. Judge Kavanaugh, who didn’t have a car, often car-pooled to school with Mr. Davis, now the president of a Colorado water-distribution company.

Mr. Urgo — “Donny” — had been friends with Judge Kavanaugh since childhood, biking around the neighborhood and trading baseball cards. After high school, he and Judge Kavanaugh remained close, cramming for the Maryland bar exam and attending Washington Nationals games together. Mr. Urgo now helps run his family’s hotel business.

Judge Kavanaugh — a standout student, captain of the basketball team and a master of the quip, according to one teacher — was especially close to Mr. Judge, a fixture of the school’s party scene. Dr. Blasey said that Mr. Judge was in the room and jumped onto the bed during the alleged 1982 assault.

Mr. Judge was widely perceived as a goofball with a big mouth. “He was a clown,” said Richard Holtz, a classmate and friend of Mr. Judge’s and Judge Kavanaugh’s. Once, before a home football game, Mr. Judge and some classmates chugged beers and then dressed up in blue-and-white cheerleader skirts and pranced around the field, a moment that was captured in the school’s yearbook.

Timothy Don, who car-pooled to school with Mr. Judge, said he would sometimes stop at 7-Eleven on the way home to buy a beer. “He was one of these kids who you could wind up and set off like a top and watch him go spinning out,” Mr. Don said, recalling Mr. Judge’s nervous laugh and how he would spontaneously jump onto his friends’ shoulders.

In a 2005 memoir, “God and Man at Georgetown Prep,” Mr. Judge said the school was “positively swimming in alcohol, and my class partied with gusto — often right under the noses of our teachers.”

Along with two classmates, he wrote an underground student newspaper, The Unknown Hoya, which documented the scene. They viewed the official student paper, The Little Hoya, as too stiff.

The stapled-together pamphlet also printed a running tally of the number of kegs consumed at various house parties as the seniors pursued their 100-keg ambition. Three football players who hosted parties accounted for 14 of the 38 kegs the class had finished at one point.

The newspaper also jabbed at neighboring schools, including the all-girls Holton-Arms, where Dr. Blasey was a student. The newspaper claimed that a public library card was “all it takes to have a good time with any H.H. (Holton Hosebag),” using slang for a promiscuous woman.

In June 1983, Judge Kavanaugh’s crew embarked on its annual trip to Maryland’s coast for “Beach Week,” where the region’s high school students would swim, drink and party.

Judge Kavanaugh had arranged to rent a condo on the 14th floor of an Ocean City high-rise. The building had an outdoor swimming pool and beach access.

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In the handwritten letter, Judge Kavanaugh told his friends that he would be on a family trip to Ireland when the lease started, so they would have to pick up the keys and settle the outstanding $398 bill. He reminded them to bring their own towels and bedding.


“One of you has to grab the bull by the horns and take charge,” he instructed.

“I think we are unanimous that any girls we can beg to stay there are welcomed with open....,” he wrote, his ellipsis at the end leaving certain things unsaid. He noted that the boys should kick out anyone who didn’t belong: “The danger of eviction is great and that would suck because of the money and because this week has big potential. (Interpret as wish.)”

Judge Kavanaugh signed the letter: “FFFFF, Bart.”

In an interview, Tom Kane, a classmate and regular “Beach Week” participant, dismissed the letter as “a couple of harmless jokes.” He added: “It sounds like the script of ‘Revenge of the Nerds’ really.” He said he couldn’t remember details of the partying.
 

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I apologize for quoting you specifically, because it's not directed at you as I'm seeing a lot of it everywhere. But this might be my favorite part of this whole thing.

One of the people whom would be tasked with overseeing that the rights of American are upheld, is having one of those rights withheld from him.
And what right is that?

This is a 'I don't like him for the job even while assuming he is innocent."
 

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I’m still confused on what drinking in high school has to do with all of this. Hasn’t he had 30 years of exemplary service?
 

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I’m still confused on what drinking in high school has to do with all of this. Hasn’t he had 30 years of exemplary service?
I don't think it has anything to do with it. It's the fact that he downplayed it. And by downplayed I mean straight up lied. Under oath. On national TV.

I understand why he lied. He was trying to prevent folks from attempting to play "connect the dots" from his drinking to the alleged assault claims - but it doesn't make it right.

He's coming across as a politician. And I'm probably being naive, but I expect more from a judge that's about to get a lifetime appointment.

This entire process has been sickening, and the dems 100% played dirty pool with this shit and should be ashamed of themselves.

Trump should pick someone else, and the nation better pray the Dems don't win the midterms because if that group gets in power - America is fucked.
 

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The Christine Ford sham shows that the Democrats will stoop to any low in order to hurt their nemesis, freedom.