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RussfromNH

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Trump warns shutdown could last 'years,' says he may declare 'national emergency' to build border wall

President Trump stood firm Friday on his demands for a border wall after the second White House meeting with congressional leaders this week broke up with no apparent deal, warning Democrats the partial government shutdown could last "years" and saying he could even declare a "national emergency" to bypass Congress if necessary.

“We can call a national emergency [to build a border wall] because of the security of our country,” Trump told reporters in the Rose Garden, during a lengthy and impromptu press conference.

“I may do it,” he said, before adding, “If we can do it through a negotiated process, we’re giving it a shot.”

The press conference underscored how far apart both sides are, even as Trump called the meeting "productive" and suggested the standoff could end soon -- or not. He indicated he was not shifting on his demand for more than $5 billion for funding for a wall on the southern border, saying it was necessary as the border is a "dangerous, horrible disaster."


"This is national security we’re talking about, we’re not talking about games," he told reporters. “We're not playing games, we have to do it."
 
Freeloading Rusty

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Fact Check: Did the U.S. catch 4,000 terrorists at the southern border in 2018?
White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Friday that Customs and Border Protection picked up nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists last year "that came across our southern border."
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According to Justice Department public records and two former counterterrorism officials, no immigrant has been arrested at the southwest border on terrorism charges in recent years.
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Said one ex-official, "Terrorists trying to infiltrate the U.S. across our southern border was more of a theoretical vulnerability than an actual one."
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Pitbull9

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That’s a serious wage hike very nice. Also impressive job numbers. Making our own oil like crazy. Trump is killing it.
 
Freeloading Rusty

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benwahwah said:
The country 'knew' what she meant. That the figures she quoted are from 2017 and global figures rather than on the southern border, so it is all good.
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So 4000 stops across the globe, not at the southern border. Gottcha. Seems to justify a wall.

ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
You can arrest a "known or suspected" terrorist and not charge him/her with terrorism.
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Maybe you missed this part:

no immigrant has been arrested at the southwest border on terrorism charges in recent years.
 
MMAHAWK

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MC Gusto said:
So 4000 stops across the globe, not at the southern border. Gottcha. Seems to justify a wall.



Maybe you missed this part:

no immigrant has been arrested at the southwest border on terrorism charges in recent years.
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Have you ever been to the US southern border?
 
Freeloading Rusty

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Pitbull9 said:
Also impressive job numbers.
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"Not a real recovery, phony numbers” - Trump 2012

“Unemployment is a totally phony number.” - Trump 2014

“Our real unemployment is anywhere from 18 to 20 percent. Don't believe the 5.6. Don't believe it.” - Trump 2015

“Then you hear there's a 5.4 percent unemployment. It's really — if you add it up, it's probably 40 percent if you think about it.” - Trump 2015

“They show those phony statistics where we are 5.4 percent unemployment. The real number, I saw a number that could be 42 percent, believe it or not.” - Trump 2015

“I hear 5.3 percent unemployment, that is the biggest joke there is in this country. That number is so false.” - Trump 2015

“The number is not reflective. I have seen numbers of 24 percent. I saw a number of 42 percent unemployment. … That number is so false.” - Trump 2015

“Nobody has jobs. … It is not a real economy. It is a phony set of numbers. They cooked the books.” - Trump 2015

“Look again, you hear these phony jobs numbers? People that gave up looking for jobs? They are considered employed.” - Trump 2016

“Don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5 percent unemployment. As high as 35 — as in fact, I heard recently, 42 percent.” Trump 2016

“The numbers are phony. These are all phony numbers. Numbers given to politicians to look good. These are phony numbers.” - Trump 2016

“You hear a 5 percent unemployment rate. It's such a phony number. That number was put in for presidents and for politicians so that they look good to the people.” - Trump 2016

“The phony 5 percent numbers that we hear about with the unemployment.” - Trump 2016

“The 5 percent figure is one of the biggest hoaxes in modern politics.” - Trump 2016

“The terrible jobs report that just came out … you can see phony numbers, 5 percent.” - Trump 2016

“The unemployment number, as you know, is totally fiction.” - Trump 2016






'They may have been phony in the past, but it’s very real now.' ” - Trump 2018

GREAT JOBS NUMBERS JUST ANNOUNCED! - Trump 2018
 
Freeloading Rusty

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Justice Dept. admits error but won’t correct report linking terrorism to immigration
The Justice Department has acknowledged errors and deficiencies in a controversial report issued a year ago that implied a link between terrorism in the United States and immigration, but — for the second and final time — officials have declined to retract or correct the document.

Released by the departments of Justice and Homeland Security, the report stated that 402 of 549 individuals — nearly 3 in 4 — convicted of international terrorism charges since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were foreign-born.

The report was written in compliance with President Trump’s March 2017 executive order halting immigration from six majority-Muslim countries.

Critics immediately expressed alarm at what they considered highly misleading data presented without context. They called it an attempt to misuse law enforcement agencies to advance a political agenda in opposition to immigration, and former senior counterterrorism officials warned it could play into terrorists’ hands by fueling misperceptions about radicalization and stoking societal divides.

Several government watchdog and civil liberty groups in May sued the two agencies in two federal courts, seeking a retraction or correction under the little-known Information Quality Act. The agencies refused, and the courts stayed the lawsuits to allow time for an administrative appeal.

Now, after two rounds, the Justice Department has told the groups it will not retract or correct the document. Rather, “in future reports, the department can strive to minimize the potential for misinterpretation,” Michael H. Allen, deputy assistant attorney general for policy, management and planning, wrote in a Dec. 21 letter to the groups.

[Read the department’s letter to the advocates]

It is, experts said, a rare admission from the department that its reporting may have confused and misled the public. “This is the government’s statement on the risk of terrorism presented by foreign-born individuals in the United States, and it’s critical that it be accurate — not just because the law requires it but because they have a duty to the American people to accurately report information of this type,” said Ben Berwick, counsel for Protect Democracy, one of the groups that sued the government and is representing the others in court.

Otherwise, he said, it “erodes trust in the government. It erodes democracy.”

[Here is a second letter to another group of advocates in the same litigation]

One flaw the Justice Department acknowledged was the report’s assertion that between 2003 and 2009, immigrants were convicted of 69,929 sex offenses, which “in most instances constitutes gender-based violence against women.”

But, Allen said in his letter, “the alleged misrepresented data constitute mere editorial errors which the [law] does not obligate the agencies to withdraw or correct.”

Still, he added, “the department appreciates being made aware of such errors so they will not be repeated.”

Berwick said the errors were “not merely editorial.” The nearly 70,000 offenses spanned a period from 1955 to 2010 — 55 years, not six; the data covered arrests, not convictions; and one arrest could be for multiple offenses, he said, citing the Government Accountability Office, which provided the underlying data.

Critics also decried the report’s inclusion of eight “illustrative examples” of foreign-born individuals out of a pool of 402 convicted of international terrorism. Six of the eight cases involved people admitted to the country as family members of legal residents or U.S. citizens, which Protect Democracy contended was an effort to portray “chain migration” as a threat.

“On reconsideration, the department acknowledges that a focus on eight seemingly similar ‘illustrative examples’ from a list of more than 400 convictions could cause some readers of the report to question its objectivity,” Allen wrote.

At least 189 of the 549 people convicted were caught up in an investigation with a link to international terrorism but not charged with an offense directly related to terrorism, Berwick said, citing Justice Department data. It is unclear how many were foreign-born. Nonetheless, that would change the statistics considerably, but the department did not address that in its letter.

The report included about 100 foreign-born individuals who were extradited to the United States to stand trial for terrorism-related crimes committed overseas, without clarifying the reason they were brought to the country, Berwick said. That is misleading because the report creates a false impression that those extradited came in as immigrants, he said.

“There is no requirement in either the [law or department guidelines] that agencies must always provide underlying data when disseminating information to the public,” Allen wrote.

The coalition of groups is considering whether to return to court.
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Hauler

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Pitbull9 said:
317 k new jobs in December very nice.
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Amazing how silent the media is on this. Projections were around 180,000.
We hit 317,000 on the latest jobs report.

I wanted to see if even CNN could throw cold water on such good news:
Hiring surged in December, employers added 312,000 jobs - CNN

They can't - all from their article:
  • Wages increased by an average of 3.2% - there was also an increase in hours worked
  • 400,000 people joined the labor force looking for jobs
  • The percentage of the working-age people in the work force matched a five-year high.
  • Job gains were widespread, with construction, manufacturing, health care and leisure and hospitality all posting gains of more than 30,000 jobs.
 
Hauler

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Jesus X said:
lots of anti gun laws are being passed under the trump administration he is screwing over his supporters.
New gun laws in 2019: What to know

Washington State Bans Sale of Semiautomatic Assault Rifles to Those Under 21
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Most here would probably consider me a gun nut, but I'm OK with these changes.

From those links:
  • Bump stock ban. I'm fine with that. Those things are stupid anyway.
  • Washington: Upped age limit to 21 for semi-auto rifles. 10 day wait list. Stricter background checks. Mandatory training.
  • California: Banning people involuntarily committed for mental health. Domestic violence felons.
  • Oregon: Domestic violence felons
  • Illinois: Red Flag Bill. Removing a firearm from someone who appears to be a risk to themselves or others.
I understand that it's a slippery slope. Give them an inch and they'll take you for a mile. But when restrictions make sense (mentally ill, violent offenders, at-risk individuals) I'm OK with it.

The 21+ rule is meh. I know plenty of 19 year olds who are perfectly fine with guns and handle them every bit as safely as adults. And I know other 19 year olds that I wouldn't let shoot my guns even if I was there watching them.
 
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MC Gusto said:
Where did you read that?
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You don't read what you post? Not surprised by this. The dude claiming crime is low, claiming undocumented immigrants are commiting less crimes than US natives. The tweet. This is why you don't nuke a thread with links and shit. Stick with one and discuss.

Anyways, point is, undocumented immigrant not commiting a crime is ironic to me. Since being here is a crime. This is what they tell you when you immigrate here, so don't come with me with bullshit.

Just because they changed the name from illegal to "undocumented", doesn't mean you're not commiting a crime.
 
Disciplined Galt

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Yossarian said:
You don't read what you post? Not surprised by this. The dude claiming crime is low, claiming undocumented immigrants are commiting less crimes than US natives. The tweet. This is why you don't nuke a thread with links and shit. Stick with one and discuss.

Anyways, point is, undocumented immigrant not commiting a crime is ironic to me. Since being here is a crime. This is what they tell you when you immigrate here, so don't come with me with bullshit.

Just because they changed the name from illegal to "undocumented", doesn't mean you're not commiting a crime.
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As an undocumented immigrant I second this.
 
Hauler

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Freeloading Rusty @MC Gusto

-Immigrants, both documented a
& undocumented, commit LESS CRIME than native-born Americans.
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By definition, undocumented immigrants are ALL committing a crime just by being here. So the percentage of undocumented immigrants who are committing a crime would be right around 100%. Give or take 0%.
 
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Hauler said:
Freeloading Rusty @MC Gusto



By definition, undocumented immigrants are ALL committing a crime just by being here. So the percentage of undocumented immigrants who are committing a crime would be right around 100%. Give or take 0%.
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They probably should include an asterisk on that, eh? Not an additional crime, perhaps.
 
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