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Spin it as you want to spin it, fact is illegal immigrants are less involved in the criminal justice system than native born Americans.

Y'all are a bunch o criminals.
You're the one spinning an out of context statement with poor stats.

Often minorities are over represented in the criminal justice system.

Same shit with blacks in America.

Same shit with Natives in Canada. Shit, natives up here are like 5% of our population yet make up 30+% of our jail population.

Spin it as you want to spin it, blacks are involved in more crime than their white peers - Freeloading Rusty @MC Gusto


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Now you see the problem?
 

Sheepdog

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A jobs report this positive would have been met with high praise from the MSM during previous administrations. That's all I'm saying.
Both sides do it. But yes, Barry O would have got a lot of praise for a report like that.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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You're the one spinning an out of context statement with poor stats.




Spin it as you want to spin it, blacks are involved in more crime than their white peers - Freeloading Rusty @MC Gusto


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Now you see the problem?
I guess I just assumed everyone was in agreement, socioeconomic status was a major influence on who ends up in jail and who doesnt (based off the same criminal convictions).

I would argue (as do many criminologists), incarceration isnt a direct indicator of higher rates of criminal activity.

And illegal immigrants are less involved in crime than Americans.

I am only defending the tweet yosarrian jumped on me for posting. The tweet still holds true based off stats.
 
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Hauler

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And are they speaking negatively of the jobs numbers in them?
Nope. Not in the articles.

I'm talking about "chatter" on the MSM programming. Turn on CNN right now. They aren't talking about the jobs report. They are talking about Russia. But when they were talking about the jobs report, they were quick to discredit the administration and throw cold water on the results.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Nope. Not in the articles.

I'm talking about "chatter" on the MSM programming. Turn on CNN right now. They aren't talking about the jobs report. They are talking about Russia. But when they were talking about the jobs report, they were quick to discredit the administration and throw cold water on the results.
In this day and age of ADHD media, how long do you expect them to focus on a report that came out last week?
 

Hauler

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In this day and age of ADHD media, how long do you expect them to focus on a report that came out last week?
I'm talking about the reports I heard in real time. Right when the numbers came out.

It was like they were upset that the report was positive. That's pretty fucking sad.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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I'm talking about the reports I heard in real time. Right when the numbers came out.

It was like they were upset that the report was positive. That's pretty fucking sad.
I must have missed that... when I look at CNN or others online, they seem pretty positive about the 'numbers'... even though they are bullshit.
 
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And illegal immigrants are less involved in crime than Americans.

I am only defending the tweet yosarrian jumped on me for posting. The tweet still holds true based off stats.
The current system makes sure that illegal and legal immigrants are not young men. Is that the system you are defending as a good thing then, since it gets the desired result?

Demonizing or canonizing immigrants through out of context stats seems silly.
 

Pitbull9

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That's always a loaded stat.
Looking at the data, that's probably due to the substantially lower number of young males represented in immigrant populations versus an undifferentiated population. 1st Gen immigrant children commit crimes at the same rate as native children. And within the subset of illegal immigrant children (higher poverty, poor education, etc) skews above the average just like any other poor uneducated native group. We are products of our environment...no surprise.

All of that makes a reasonably strong argument to both continue to push for enforcement against illegal immigration, not passive acceptance, as well as a strong push for integration of first generation children to prevent that socioeconomic fallout.
Of course it is but that doesn’t stop the agenda of compete haters and losers.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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I will throw y'all a bone since no one was able to come up with an informed counter argument by the stats being discussed.

And here I thought at least @Splinty would have been smart enough to bring up this point.



Crime rates are based off reported crimes.

It is fact, most ethnic groups or subcultures within society (whites, blacks, illegals, undocumented, yada yada) commit the majority of crimes against those who also fall within the same ethnic or sub group as themselves.

In an ethnic sub group like undocumented immigrants, one could capably argue, crimes are less likely to be reported. Which means, crimes committed by undocumented immigrants against other members of their immediate communities (other undocumented immigrants) have a higher probability of not being reported and recorded. Undocumented immigrants are less likely to report a crime than someone in the country legally due to their fear of alerting authorities. Less reported crimes = lower crime rates and stats.



Kind of disappointed in you folks for missing this point.
 
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I will throw y'all a bone since no one was able to come up with an informed counter argument by the stats being discussed.

And here I thought at least @Splinty would have been smart enough to bring up this point.



Crime rates are based off reported crimes.

It is fact, most ethnic groups or subcultures within society (whites, blacks, illegals, undocumented, yada yada) commit the majority of crimes against those who also fall within the same ethnic or sub group as themselves.

In an ethnic sub group like undocumented immigrants, one could capably argue, crimes are less likely to be reported. Which means, crimes committed by undocumented immigrants against other members of their immediate communities (other undocumented immigrants) have a higher probability of being reported and recorded. Undocumented immigrants are less likely to report a crime than someone in the country legally due to their fear of alerting authorities. Less reported crimes = lower crime rates and stats.



Kind of disappointed in you folks for missing this point.

You'll be campaigning for Trump by 2020 at this rate
 

Pitbull9

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As usual, a civil discussion turns into immature name calling once Pitbull9 @Pitbull9 shows up.
I’m not trying to insult anyone that is the truth. People who hate on Trumps win are haters and losers. The people who can’t support or respect their people’s vote and their country.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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I’m not trying to insult anyone that is the truth. People who hate on Trumps win are haters and losers. The people who can’t support or respect their people’s vote and their country.
As always, great contribution and logic. Keep up the good work.
 

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Reading comprehension is key.

No one stated what you are ranting about.

Do you claim either of those statements are false?
- Crime rates have dropped.
- Immigrants commit less crimes than US natives.

No one said, undocumented immigrants have never committed a crime. Yes, being in America without permission is a crime... but that doesn't mean the statements presented are false. Undocumented immigrants committed a crime entering into the USA yet US born citizens still commit crimes at a higher rate than the immigrants. Pretty basic concept really. Illegal immigrants commit less property and violent crimes than US natives.
Its in your tweet mothafucka.

The dude says, immigrants bot documented and undocumented...
 

Pitbull9

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As always, great contribution and logic. Keep up the good work.
Did you see kwings post about what he hopes happens just so trump can be ousted? That to me is an example of what i said. You’re not as bad, you’re not sitting here wishing bad things would happen so trump looks bad. You just don’t want to see any of the good and only focus on the bad.