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Well, I do understand that most research data can support a lot of different views.
It literally shows that HPV causes a specific type of head and neck cancer.

The other studies show the data that HPV causes cervical cancer, which is significantly stronger data than the head and neck which we didn't know until recently.

You asked for data showing the HPV cause cancer and there's lots of data for it especially cervical cancer.
 
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Maybe I don't understand the data. Let me ask you this, is it possible to have the HPV virus and it NOT be present in the head/neck tumor?

Yes.
But now you're gonna argue that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer because a vast majority of people that smoke don't get lung cancer.
 

Disciplined Galt

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It literally shows that HPV causes a specific type of head and neck cancer.

The other studies show the data that HPV causes cervical cancer, which is significantly stronger data than the head and neck which we didn't know until recently.

You asked for data showing the HPV cause cancer and there's lots of data for it especially cervical cancer.
Don’t make shit up.
 

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vaccine question can be expanded more esoterically;

how far is it Ok to keep tinkering with & modifying ourselves as a species? Could it ever reach a tipping point where its like the Sorcerer's Apprentice? ie; we've messed with it so far that we won't be able to keep it stable, and thus have to keep messing with it in order to keep up with the mess?

How much might it be valuable to learn how to strengthen our own immune system, as opposed to finding artificial ways to replace it?

It gets into transhumanism etc if you follow it through

Interesting ethical question if looked at in broader terms
I know right!

Many of the adverse reactions to the vaccine were symptoms of autoimmune disorders. They rejected these saying 'how do you know that wasn't going to happen anyway". And that's the scary part. We don't know. And sometimes neither do they.
 
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I know right!

Many of the adverse reactions to the vaccine were symptoms of autoimmune disorders. They rejected these saying 'how do you know that wasn't going to happen anyway". And that's the scary part. We don't know. And sometimes neither do they.

the safety profile of things like autoimmune is a good question. In fact it's the biggest question in any exposure to any medicine in my opinion.

However it's answered by studies look at odds ratios and relative risk in different populations.
 

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Yes.
But now you're gonna argue that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer because a vast majority of people that smoke don't get lung cancer.
No, not at all. Now the study makes more sense. I ignorantly thought that if you had HPV then it would always be present in the tumor.
 

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Please bring some information to the discussion. Well information besides that everyone else is ignorant.

We all know that.
You clearly won't entertain facts that aren't in alignment with what you read on the internet. You are literally the face of Dunning Kruger. Show where I stated everyone else is ignorant? I stated you are and I stand by that 100%. With each additional post you just reinforce that.
Bullshit.
Pete wishes it was bullshit. Sadly it's not. It's horrible seeing a proud man shit and piss his pants wearing a diaper. I hope to expire way before that happens to me.
 
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No, not at all. Now the study makes more sense. I ignorantly thought that if you had HPV then it would always be present in the tumor.
I'm really not trying to beat you up here. I'm kind of typing while I go on my day, so sorry if its terse.



Michael Douglas, famed for his alcohol and cigar love developed throat cancer. He then claimed that he got it because of being such a giving lover.
 

Never_Rolled

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I'm really not trying to beat you up here. I'm kind of typing while I go on my day, so sorry if its terse.



Michael Douglas, famed for his alcohol and cigar love developed throat cancer. He then claimed that he got it because of being such a giving lover.
Watch your tongue!
 
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This kind of stuff was not that long ago.

I find it a little presumptuous that we have really evolved so far since then scientifically/medically/ethically/criminally/politically/holistically


 
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Lets caricaturize the question;

A person who lives in natural peace somewhere, who refuses all vaccines yet dies his death with acceptance

vs

A person who lives in modern busy life, who accepts all vaccines trying to fight death as long as (s)he can



- 2 very different philosophies on life, death, how we see ourselves, values etc etc

Its a big question, no amount of studies or data will solve it for us its a soul/worldview thing

or maybe I'm just high


I don't give my dogs all the recommended vaccines either and they are always healthy except dying of cancer and dogfights which there aren't any vaccines for currently
 

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You clearly won't entertain facts that aren't in alignment with what you read on the internet. You are literally the face of Dunning Kruger. Show where I stated everyone else is ignorant? I stated you are and I stand by that 100%. With each additional post you just reinforce that.

Pete wishes it was bullshit. Sadly it's not. It's horrible seeing a proud man shit and piss his pants wearing a diaper. I hope to expire way before that happens to me.
HIPAA bro
Pete should be kept confidential
 

Rambo John J

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I'm really not trying to beat you up here. I'm kind of typing while I go on my day, so sorry if its terse.



Michael Douglas, famed for his alcohol and cigar love developed throat cancer. He then claimed that he got it because of being such a giving lover.
Zeta has amazing box
that was the price he paid