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The danger of the virus appears to be fully about our ability to slow it down, not the overblown idea that this thing is black death. I'm in the process of working our search indexes back up so I can't find my own link but take a look at this
What ‘wonderful laboratory’ South Korea can teach world about Covid-19
We've gone from a nearly 10% death rate in Wuhan to 5% death rate in overwhelmed countries to 0.5% in Korea.
How did we get such a significant drop? Lies damn lies and statistics. Firstly the original death rate at ground zero was due to only testing people that were the most severe so the number was wrong.
But even beyond that you have real numbers like Italy that probably has a
If I have 15 ventilators and 16 patients somebody dies. If I can wait one week I can do all 16 patients and nobody dies.
one of my biggest concerns with complaining that the government is trying to control us and things like that in the middle of all of this is the harm. Real harm.The government should be banning large centralized events. That's not an attack on your personal freedom. That is how you stop 10 times as many people from dying. The government should be looking at how people get incentivized to not go out and be in the middle of large centralized events. I don't know what that looks like but sometimes that might look like financial things that are really unpopular with some people. But if you rail that the government's doing everything just to get us, that undermines the social structure of us realizing how simple it is to bring those numbers down so dramatically. And once you realize that you can bring the numbers down really dramatically with just hand washing and hanging out at home watching Netflix, the thing is a hell of a lot less scary.
Like I'm making jokes about toilet paper but I think there's real harm and idiots stockpiling that. Who's buying extra toilet paper in a panic? People being manipulated instead of prepared and people who already have resources. Who does that leave left?
For the last 3 weeks I've purchased slightly more groceries than I usually do. This is just like prepping for the hurricane season. you don't make a run on the pump at the end. You actually are part of the problem. Your panic is creating panic and harming others.
As I've said before this is one of those paradoxical moments where the virus itself is really not that bad compared to our modern medicine. But it's an absolute public health red alert. There are so many pieces beyond the virus that I have no idea how officials make their decisions. Everything's stuck together and that seems to be what
@sparkuri sees quite clearly in his worldly wisdom about downstream effects. I admit I do not. But I do understand the science that is being developed here and what is occurring And how much of the threat the virus actually is. And the great majority of us should realize that the biggest threat is figuring out how to wash your hands and not hang out in groups...... This all changes that this virus sticks around in the fall and there's no herd immunity and no vaccine. :-X
I told my son that if this turned out to be a real plague we’d have to be killing the neighbours for food inside of 2 weeks. His response was “You wouldn’t really mind that though would you?”.
Agreed. And right now we are just starting to realize that, finally. CDC also failed miserably. When Disney and the NBA are willing to forego big money by closing down, it's no longer overblown, they are not going to say no to money, they must have a good reason to do so. US response, much like Dutch response has been slow at best, also with a general sense of mocking those who took measures early. The arrogance has now all but died, even the anti-vaxers are quiet.
Mucho lies. And the people know it. Add a loud hysterical media, and up until today a downplaying, quiet, government, and you are out of toilet paper.
Totally agree. People complaining about not going to their concert, or vacation, that is so first world problem. Poor souls working from home... must be so terrible.
Again, agreed. Unfortunately people can't be responsible by themselves, like adults.
And the experts agree. It's how we respond that decides how bad this thing is going to be, but ce'st la vie.
I've just heard too many downplaying this, must a mid-west thing. In the meantime those folks will toss these hygienic guidelines by the way side and cause more harm.
Kill the loud ones first lol
I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of testing lab studies. BUT, when we are doing 100 and S Korea has A MILLION, this is an insane failure of the CDC but also government as a whole. Where is the rapid authorization to existing labs!??! The thing already exists. Just congress/executive order pass the authorization to buy it. It couldn't take that long to actually verify the existing test by peer review.
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"An elementary school student in Rhode Island tested positive for the coronavirus after getting an autograph from Utah Jazz center Rudy Gobert, officials told NBC10.
The student reportedly attended the Jazz and Celtics game in Boston on March 6, which was five days before Gobert became the first of at least two NBA players to test positive for COVID-19. It’s impossible to know whether the child contracted the virus from Gobert or elsewhere. A preschooler in the same Rhode Island town of Westerly tested positive after going on a cruise ship to the Bahamas, according to the report."
The student reportedly attended the Jazz and Celtics game in Boston on March 6, which was five days before Gobert became the first of at least two NBA players to test positive for COVID-19. It’s impossible to know whether the child contracted the virus from Gobert or elsewhere. A preschooler in the same Rhode Island town of Westerly tested positive after going on a cruise ship to the Bahamas, according to the report."
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Hector Lombard is voting for trump lol. I'm not suprised since nearly every cuban I know is a republican
What world do we live in which Hector is the voice of logic.
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fixedEverything's stuck together and that seems to be what
If you really want to be pissed, then consider my worry, but also the other side of the coin.
I worry that this thing is going to float around like flu and come back in the winter. The USA will warm up, slow it down, it stays away largely like the flu and we think we've beat it. Some really well funded studies would have to take place fast to math out the estimated herd immunity in the USA or whatever, but we won't fund that. So it doesn't happen.
Winter comes, its comes back serious (mutated or not) and we are beat down fast with the congregating due to weather, etc. Bam you've got 2-5% death inside of 6 months. wtf mate. No herd immunity. No vaccine. All this again but in the usual cold and flu season.
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We slow it down. Herd immunity is enough to stall it and it tapers. It is treated like flu for a little while, then we get a vaccine going in a year and fall of 2021 is silent between previous antibodies and the flu. As we grow older, new kids are exposed and this virus becomes background noise like other 'common cold' coronaviruses. Humanities right of passage; immunity through a viral gauntlet.
People in 2050 make jokes about the 2020 panic. "It's just a common cold'.
what is it like there?
any body actually know somebody who has "it" or is in bad shape from a virus?
not gonna be that bad my brotha...not close
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Not as far as I am aware.