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FINGERS

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Nov 14, 2019
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You'll seldom find me unhappy about somebody criticizing hospital administrators.
The good ones are few and far between.
As density of cases rise, increase protections become prudent.
There's no reason for me to walk around in a PAPR and face mask like my ED colleagues and I Don't likely need an n95 to go about my duties with my obstetric patients. If anesthesia or the ED is using these items and wish to leave them in place to avoid the risk of taking them on and off go right ahead.

On the other hand I am increasingly concerned that most likely I will get infected from a nurse or other chain, not direct patient care where I am most aware of my precaution needs.
I'm also increasingly concerned about my own asymptomatic spreading As our local density of cases increases and the hospital inevitably becomes the focal point of infection.

I am 100% masked in all patient care at this point with surgical mask. Not for me to avoid getting sick from these patients as much for me to not be a spread of infection to my patients.
Because masking and unmasking requires a technique, l leave my mask in place the entire time that I'm in the hospital.

I watched my own behavior today as I went around the hospital, stopping to use a telephone to dictate, using a computer, etc.

How clean are these workstations? The doctor's computers are in the nursing area pod. When was the same telephone wipe down recently? when will we have our first missed case that ends up positive on the floor unexpectedly?

I dump my hospital mask after use. I put a new one on for clinic. I use an n95 with proper PPE for higher risk patients, but there is no intentional caronavirus evaluation in the outpatient setting right now. If you called me and sounded like a covid You're staying home for mild symptoms or you're going to the ED for evaluation. They've got the right gear.

We're not off in a bad way at our hospital right now. But I am seeing many of my colleagues being asked to perform care with substandard protection At other institutions around the country. The ED and anesthesia stand out to me is the absolute highest risk and should be provided whatever they need. Those health care workers that are in high risk groups by age or comorbidity should absolutely have the flexibility to be better protected.
Overall I am most concerned about the lack of standard guidance and response. The institutional and geographic variation in American medicine is showing itself in this response as well and it's not comforting to me.

My understanding.

and this is really salient to what you say.

I found out today, it’s the dose.

I said the Chinese doctor was murdered. I still believe that. But it’s possible because he was so close it did for him.

but I had a very mild scraping of the virus. Bit like when I shared chicken pox with my sister. We shared the dose.

if you get a very strong dose of this cunt you are in trouble. If you’re old you will die.

it’s how much exposure.
 

FINGERS

Banned
Nov 14, 2019
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It's funny you mention this as I just got a new Brunello Cucinelli scarf with a cashmere/silk blend,
it breaths much better than the Burberry.



Le Chat Noir
©

I just wanted to involve you.

I was given a link to the other site and I had no idea how much you were hated.

well I don’t abide bullying. And I saw some nasty stuff

you can rest easy here friend.

this is a safe space for you. Whatever issues you have.

we do not judge,

I hope you and yours are safe.
 

Le Chat Noir

Le Chat Noir ©
Jan 28, 2020
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I just wanted to involve you.

I was given a link to the other site and I had no idea how much you were hated.

well I don’t abide bullying. And I saw some nasty stuff

you can rest easy here friend.

this is a safe space for you. Whatever issues you have.

we do not judge,

I hope you and yours are safe.

Mmm the only people who ever expressed hate for me were silly little Socialists.
Those people being my enemies is a testimony to my greatness.



Le Chat Noir
©
 

Shinkicker

For what it's worth
Jan 30, 2016
10,388
13,862
You'll seldom find me unhappy about somebody criticizing hospital administrators.
The good ones are few and far between.
As density of cases rise, increase protections become prudent.
There's no reason for me to walk around in a PAPR like my ED colleagues and I Don't likely need an n95 to go about my duties with my obstetric patients. If anesthesia or the ED is using these items and wish to leave them in place to avoid the risk of taking them on and off go right ahead.

On the other hand I am increasingly concerned that most likely I will get infected from a nurse or other chain, not direct patient care where I am most aware of my precaution needs.
I'm also increasingly concerned about my own asymptomatic spreading As our local density of cases increases and the hospital inevitably becomes the focal point of infection.

I am 100% masked in all patient care at this point with surgical mask. Not for me to avoid getting sick from these patients as much for me to not be a spread of infection to my patients.
Because masking and unmasking requires a technique, l leave my mask in place the entire time that I'm in the hospital.

I watched my own behavior today as I went around the hospital, stopping to use a telephone to dictate, using a computer, etc.

How clean are these workstations? The doctor's computers are in the nursing area pod. When was the same telephone wipe down recently? when will we have our first missed case that ends up positive on the floor unexpectedly?

I dump my hospital mask after use. I put a new one on for clinic. I use an n95 with proper PPE for higher risk patients, but there is no intentional caronavirus evaluation in the outpatient setting right now. If you called me and sounded like a covid You're staying home for mild symptoms or you're going to the ED for evaluation. They've got the right gear.

We're not off in a bad way at our hospital right now. But I am seeing many of my colleagues being asked to perform care with substandard protection At other institutions around the country. The ED and anesthesia stand out to me is the absolute highest risk and should be provided whatever they need. Those health care workers that are in high risk groups by age or comorbidity should absolutely have the flexibility to be better protected.
Overall I am most concerned about the lack of standard guidance and response. The institutional and geographic variation in American medicine is showing itself in this response as well and it's not comforting to me.
Responses probably in random order, but I could say so much but you've nailed it how we feel, too.

We are quickly learning that it's up to us to take care of our own, to depend on each other. Our workflow is definitely changing. Ex.

Night shift stays late while next crew finds a mobile computer, cleans it and their work station and then gives report.

Our supplies are rationed out so we hoard and make people "ask" for one, yes one, sani wipe. I see the docs struggle with this.

You know the wipes that come with a clean catch? They are antiseptic and individually wrapped. Throw some in your pocket when you visit other areas. Wipe a phone before using it, or use one at door when leaving the unit.
 

Shinkicker

For what it's worth
Jan 30, 2016
10,388
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Splinty @Splinty ,

True story....

I had a scribe for MD ask me to use my sani wipe after I finished cleaning my computer with it.

How f'n sad is that?
 

Splinty

Shake 'em off
Admin
Dec 31, 2014
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Splinty @Splinty ,

True story....

I had a scribe for MD ask me to use my sani wipe after I finished cleaning my computer with it.

How f'n sad is that?
That's terrible and just shows the lack of systemic response.
We should be getting ABC's on infection prevention at all levels. Outpatient, med surg, etc.
There's probably some real difference in being a medical surgical nurse in New York or a medical surgical nurse in rural Texas right now. Resource utilization needs to be different because the threat is different. They're almost needs to be some kind of county by county threat level where you apply a gradient of infectious control behaviors. This would be a good compromise for resource savings while also scaling up infection control as you see density of cases rise.

But as you and I are talking about. As the cases are rising the responses are ad hoc. And as we know for medicine there's lots of good answers but significant variation usually means We are not optimal.

Stay safe out there.
 

Sheepdog

Protecting America from excessive stool loitering
Dec 1, 2015
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I'm not talking about any of the countries you referenced, and that isn't what they're doing here, so, no.

Here we have a situation where a bunch of people are renting apartments they can't afford. Now that they've been forced to stay home for a week, instead of reassessing what mistakes they've made and expecting the government to clean up the mess they made. They're blaming the greedy landlords for expecting them to fulfill their part of a contract.
Government shuts down economy = individual renter's fault now is it?

What you're suggesting is one of two options A) make people who lost their jobs through no fault of their own destitute and then a finacial burden on the rest of society and a potential source of mass unrest or B) Continue to subsidize rentiers who rely on the productive side society to exist, as if that productive side hasn't just been shut down, to extract their wealth not from individuals but now from public finances. Both options are fucking retarded, and yes, our governments are retarded for letting option B play out. They'd be even more retarded to let your option A play out.

Once you accept that government has to shut down the economy, then you have to accept that rentiers at the very least can't just operate as normal.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
60,554
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Government shuts down economy = individual renter's fault now is it?
No, it's the government's fault.

Once you accept that government has to shut down the economy, then you have to accept that rentiers at the very least can't just operate as normal.
They can if the government appropriately subsidizes their lost wages.

I've been clear about all of these concepts since day one, I'm not quite sure why you're pretending I think that rentiers should be getting anything from the government.
 

FINGERS

Banned
Nov 14, 2019
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That's terrible and just shows the lack of systemic response.
We should be getting ABC's on infection prevention at all levels. Outpatient, med surg, etc.
There's probably some real difference in being a medical surgical nurse in New York or a medical surgical nurse in rural Texas right now. Resource utilization needs to be different because the threat is different. They're almost needs to be some kind of county by county threat level where you apply a gradient of infectious control behaviors. This would be a good compromise for resource savings while also scaling up infection control as you see density of cases rise.

But as you and I are talking about. As the cases are rising the responses are ad hoc. And as we know for medicine there's lots of good answers but significant variation usually means We are not optimal.

Stay safe out there.

Would you ever consider putting your self forward as a health care voice on the BBC or Al Jazeera?
 

Shinkicker

For what it's worth
Jan 30, 2016
10,388
13,862
Splinty @Splinty

I'm struggling with something a
That's terrible and just shows the lack of systemic response.
We should be getting ABC's on infection prevention at all levels. Outpatient, med surg, etc.
There's probably some real difference in being a medical surgical nurse in New York or a medical surgical nurse in rural Texas right now. Resource utilization needs to be different because the threat is different. They're almost needs to be some kind of county by county threat level where you apply a gradient of infectious control behaviors. This would be a good compromise for resource savings while also scaling up infection control as you see density of cases rise.

But as you and I are talking about. As the cases are rising the responses are ad hoc. And as we know for medicine there's lots of good answers but significant variation usually means We are not optimal.

Stay safe out there.
We've already had 2 'no shows' of PPE deliveries. We will be out by the time the peak hits apparently.

Thanks and you, too.