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Splinty

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In summers infection rate will slow down. It will start to get better from may.

Call for a May improvement is kind of a double-edged sword.

If you look at the timeline for other countries they have kind of this couple months that goes one or two ways and then starts to plateau. They start to go up and then they start to get ahold of it through interventions and that's the plateau. Or they shoot the moon and a ton of people just start dying and everybody freaks out and goes home with heavy-handed interventions so you start a plateau due to death.

The "Getting better in May" in New York might very well look like system overruns and all the people that can die from it are all dying at once. That's terrible but very possible. They're very dense it will still be relatively mild going into June. It's going to be pretty terrible I think

Getting better in parts of the South might be because we benefited from a lag time of infection just in time for the summer slowing down. But that's just one variable and you'll still see some serious cases happening in the urban centers. You just might see suburban and rural areas buffered.

Regardless this isn't turning a corner in May. slow down means just that. You might see a slowdown due to one variable in certain areas that are really really really hot.

And I saw your other post about how will be much better at this in the fall. Hopefully we'll see some real intervention breakthroughs in antivirals or even some good criteria on putting out anti malarials into the population to buffer against contagiousness. that might reduce our spread especially amongst young people who can tolerate this medicines anyway. The same way you take antimalarials in malaria environments prophylactically. But the logistics of that are challenging with so many people.

So then then fall comes And anywhere that benefited from a summer slowdown or didn't get hit really hard for whatever other reasons still has a huge population that doesn't have herd immunity and is still susceptible. Now you're looking at the flu season along with the Coronavirus slate on top of it. in every single model half your deaths come from system overruns. We could very easily see those system overruns happen again in the fall. So it doesn't matter if your coronavirus load is lower in the fall because the system itself will be running it decreased extra capacity from everything else in the winter.

Until we get some real treatment breakthrough or vaccine this is with us. 18 months and I hope we do it the smoldering way for that whole time and this is just something in the background we have to deal with. The alternative is that we shoot the moon kill off several times as many people, endure a serious national trauma at multiple levels, and still end up waiting for a vaccine for the rest of us.
 

Filthy

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What's the temp in Ecuador right now?
What's the humidity?
How's that compared to Nevada Arizona Texas Louisiana and Mississippi in July?

Unless we get real good interventions the fall flu season is going to be an absolute shit show.
last week it was in the high 80s and 80% humidity, but I think we're approaching the time when mask use is self-evident.
 

Yossarian

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Natural Selection is doing it's best, give it time to work.

BTW - any luck coming up with research that shows that masks are MORE dangerous than no mask?
asking for a friend.
The west has been nothing but arrogant about the approach of this virus. Could never happen here, just a mild flu. And now they claim to be experts on how masks work. It is so funny to watch. The west utterly failed, and we still listen to the CDC. Times of joy.
 

Shinkicker

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Jan 30, 2016
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It's very clear in the medical field who has seen shit hit the fan and who has not, this dummy has not. She probably lives in la la land.
Feeling emotion doesn't mean that you can't triage successfully. I worked in a level 1 trauma center in tornado alley for 10 years, I've seen the shit hit the fan many times with 30+ patients at once. I do my job but I cry when I get home.

When I was a nursing student we had an OB emergency and the baby died. I went to the end of the hall and was crying. The MD came out, saw me and made a b line to me. I thought he was going to tell me that I was in the wrong line of work. He hugged me for a moment and told me it was ok and not to ever lose that.

So many new nurses and medical personnel are not like that. It seems as if what was once dark humor to cope has become truth with little empathy. "Just a job."
 

Atto

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Call for a May improvement is kind of a double-edged sword.

If you look at the timeline for other countries they have kind of this couple months that goes one or two ways and then starts to plateau. They start to go up and then they start to get ahold of it through interventions and that's the plateau. Or they shoot the moon and a ton of people just start dying and everybody freaks out and goes home with heavy-handed interventions so you start a plateau due to death.

The "Getting better in May" in New York might very well look like system overruns and all the people that can die from it are all dying at once. That's terrible but very possible. They're very dense it will still be relatively mild going into June. It's going to be pretty terrible I think

Getting better in parts of the South might be because we benefited from a lag time of infection just in time for the summer slowing down. But that's just one variable and you'll still see some serious cases happening in the urban centers. You just might see suburban and rural areas buffered.

Regardless this isn't turning a corner in May. slow down means just that. You might see a slowdown due to one variable in certain areas that are really really really hot.

And I saw your other post about how will be much better at this in the fall. Hopefully we'll see some real intervention breakthroughs in antivirals or even some good criteria on putting out anti malarials into the population to buffer against contagiousness. that might reduce our spread especially amongst young people who can tolerate this medicines anyway. The same way you take antimalarials in malaria environments prophylactically. But the logistics of that are challenging with so many people.

So then then fall comes And anywhere that benefited from a summer slowdown or didn't get hit really hard for whatever other reasons still has a huge population that doesn't have herd immunity and is still susceptible. Now you're looking at the flu season along with the Coronavirus slate on top of it. in every single model half your deaths come from system overruns. We could very easily see those system overruns happen again in the fall. So it doesn't matter if your coronavirus load is lower in the fall because the system itself will be running it decreased extra capacity from everything else in the winter.

Until we get some real treatment breakthrough or vaccine this is with us. 18 months and I hope we do it the smoldering way for that whole time and this is just something in the background we have to deal with. The alternative is that we shoot the moon kill off several times as many people, endure a serious national trauma at multiple levels, and still end up waiting for a vaccine for the rest of us.
What i mean by fall is that we will be better prepared and slowing down in summer will give the governments better chance of controlling the spread when fall arrives. I think washing hands and using sanitizers will be part of our routine for a long time.
ohh I didn't know if you can take antimalaria in malaria environment. Do you take anti malaria everyday for prevention?
 

Filthy

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What i mean by fall is that we will be better prepared and slowing down in summer will give the governments better chance of controlling the spread when fall arrives. I think washing hands and using sanitizers will be part of our routine for a long time.
ohh I didn't know if you can take antimalaria in malaria environment. Do you take anti malaria everyday for prevention?
chloroquine isn't prophylactic, it keeps the disease from doing a lot of damage before your immune system suppresses the illness.
 

sparkuri

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I have a thread dedicated to this manufactured bullshit for people who can tolerate reality.
My state along with others are bowing down to their totalitarian technodictator Bill Gates, who's using his population control method to quell the uprising that would've slowed the installation of 5g, facial recognition, and mass forced innoculation.
1984 is here, report your neighbors, get your social credit score up, & take the mark of the beast or die in prison, 'for humanity'.
 

Splinty

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ohh I didn't know if you can take antimalaria in malaria environment. Do you take anti malaria everyday for prevention?
Yes. There are a variety of medications you can take an environment with high risk for malaria to prevent malaria prophylactically. There's resistance in some areas so you have to choose the right medicine for the malaria strains that are common to where you are going.
 
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I have a thread dedicated to this manufactured bullshit for people who can tolerate reality.
My state along with others are bowing down to their totalitarian technodictator Bill Gates, who's using his population control method to quell the uprising that would've slowed the installation of 5g, facial recognition, and mass forced innoculation.
1984 is here, report your neighbors, get your social credit score up, & take the mark of the beast or die in prison, 'for humanity'.

So what's your Endgame? What's your best case scenario? What are you hoping to achieve? Because I see it one of two ways for people who are "woke" to whatever global conspiracy they subscribe to.... Die fighting it, or kill themselves..... Yes it's harsh, but I'll explain.

No one has the financial stream or public support to fight those big corporations who according to some, are ALL in on the 'Master Plan', so they'll lose the resource battle, and ultimately the war.... So they'll die in vain, and won't make a dent in their plans.

The other side is since they know what they deem is going on, since they've seen behind that proverbial curtain of Oz, how can they go back to a life knowing that they live like that? They'll ultimately go mad.... It's like that scene in the Matrix where that guy was eating the steak, knowing that he was in the Matrix.

So again.... And btw I'm inquiring in a non antagonistic way here..... What's your best case scenario or endgame here?
 

Yossarian

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lock it down long enough and their won't even be a healthcare system to return to
That's why the lockdowns should be utilized to prepare, introduce mass testing, masks, guidance so we can quickly go to normal as possible with an actual plan. Our half ass lockdown here in Ohio will have little effect and only got people angry. Walmart is still crowded, liquor stores still open, etc. People will get restless, so better it is to come with results.
 

FINGERS

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So what's your Endgame? What's your best case scenario? What are you hoping to achieve? Because I see it one of two ways for people who are "woke" to whatever global conspiracy they subscribe to.... Die fighting it, or kill themselves..... Yes it's harsh, but I'll explain.

No one has the financial stream or public support to fight those big corporations who according to some, are ALL in on the 'Master Plan', so they'll lose the resource battle, and ultimately the war.... So they'll die in vain, and won't make a dent in their plans.

The other side is since they know what they deem is going on, since they've seen behind that proverbial curtain of Oz, how can they go back to a life knowing that they live like that? They'll ultimately go mad.... It's like that scene in the Matrix where that guy was eating the steak, knowing that he was in the Matrix.

So again.... And btw I'm inquiring in a non antagonistic way here..... What's your best case scenario or endgame here?

 

sparkuri

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So what's your Endgame? What's your best case scenario? What are you hoping to achieve? Because I see it one of two ways for people who are "woke" to whatever global conspiracy they subscribe to.... Die fighting it, or kill themselves..... Yes it's harsh, but I'll explain.

No one has the financial stream or public support to fight those big corporations who according to some, are ALL in on the 'Master Plan', so they'll lose the resource battle, and ultimately the war.... So they'll die in vain, and won't make a dent in their plans.

The other side is since they know what they deem is going on, since they've seen behind that proverbial curtain of Oz, how can they go back to a life knowing that they live like that? They'll ultimately go mad.... It's like that scene in the Matrix where that guy was eating the steak, knowing that he was in the Matrix.

So again.... And btw I'm inquiring in a non antagonistic way here..... What's your best case scenario or endgame here?
You're approaching the question from a view that puts man in ultimate power over the creator of the universe.
The endgame has 21 chapters & is at the end of the Bible.
Where I fit in that certainly isn't from a humanistic approach of life or death fighting a 'greater good'.
It's one of spreading awareness and truth & leaving the end result in the hands of the one no man can mark.
 
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You're approaching the question from a view that puts man in ultimate power over the creator of the universe.
The endgame has 21 chapters & is at the end of the Bible.
Where I fit in that certainly isn't from a humanistic approach of life or death fighting a 'greater good'.
It's one of spreading awareness and truth & leaving the end result in the hands of the one no man can mark.
Oh ok, I see your perspective now. If religion is your viewpoint than it makes sense. I have a different viewpoint on matters of theology and religion, but I can't begrudge yours.
 

sparkuri

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The Netherlands & Belgium are just getting hammered terrificly.
Over 2000 deaths now between those two small countries.
 

Yossarian

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What's the details?
What strategy did they respectively implement?
The US strategy... head in the sand. Initially of course. Early proposals got shot down in parliament that would've taken measures sooner. Tragic to watch.
 

Yossarian

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The Netherlands & Belgium are just getting hammered terrificly.
Over 2000 deaths now between those two small countries.
People still going outside, also live close to one another, lots of cities, dense populated areas.
 

sparkuri

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Oh ok, I see your perspective now. If religion is your viewpoint than it makes sense. I have a different viewpoint on matters of theology and religion, but I can't begrudge yours.
It makes life easier.
What may seem 'woke' to others is just matter-of-fact to me. It's not a sense of higher enlightenment, its simply watching prophecy unfold.
People who haven't read it, studied it, or understand it, put it in a container they like.
But for me, it's still a naturally anger-inducing thing to see happen to people/society.
It's the ultimate psychology of transhumanism in its natural progression to its natural demise, in slow motion.
I think we can't help but be disgusted with it. It's like watching Cyborg destroy Jan Finney while Kim Winslow watches on seemingly unaware of the obvious.