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@Splinty vs @conor mcgregor nut hugger.... The fight we didn't know we needed in the time of Coronavirus
@Splinty vs @conor mcgregor nut hugger.... The fight we didn't know we needed in the time of Coronavirus
He's 4 inches taller than me, weighs 100lbs more and carries it all in his 38 inch waist (low center of gravity), and will make you wish for unconsciousness the longer you are around him.
I don't stand a chance.
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It came down to saving lives vs. saving his career. He understood that.
I'm not sure why you, Splinty, and the U.S. Navy can't.
That's pretty racist and hate filled. Take a chill pill bruh.
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Want me to give him the Hebrew hammer dad?
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The Navy is saying he didn't report the issue. Of course they're saying that. It wouldn't look good for them if they admitted that the captain reported the issue and nothing was done about it on their end, would it?
As for documents, I don't think I'll have any. You don't either. You have a statement from the Navy. Well hopefully we get a statement from the fired captain after he gets his honorable (inshallah) discharge.
Why do you always toe the military line, even when it's not your branch?
He has too.
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I've dragged him into deep water and he's drowning
I was making a reference to my post above that is days old showing my position is unchanged. That's what you accused me of. As I said, I haven't. And as I said, you were wrong.
One, I shut my mouth when I disagree and use appropriate chains for my disagreements. So you don't hear my other opinions. But we aren't talking about that so stop side stepping and deflecting. Stop shitting up this thread trying to make this personal if you can't stay on the subject.
@Splinty, the honorable Mr. @conor mcgregor nut hugger, please hug and make up, don't fight. It makes me sad on the inside.
I hope he doesn't get coronavirus.
I hope you both don't!
@conor mcgregor nut hugger I like you bro, and I'm not trying to wind you up. I just want to say that the fact that we are talking about this is the real problem. That ship is a large percentage of our fleet. Something broke down on both sides for this to become public.
The Navy is well prepared for this. We routinely run drills on CBR warfare (Chemical Biological and Radiological) and the sailors know how to protect from this. What should have happened is that ship should have been relieved, decontaminated and re-staffed. I don't know the logistics of our global campaigns that prevented that, but there are very important people who do.
Could he have handled it better? Probably. Could the chain of command have been more prompt in aid or conveying their positions or reasoning? Definitely.
I'm just saying relieving a Captain of command is not a big deal.
The Navy is well prepared for this. We routinely run drills on CBR warfare (Chemical Biological and Radiological) and the sailors know how to protect from this. What should have happened is that ship should have been relieved, decontaminated and re-staffed. I don't know the logistics of our global campaigns that prevented that, but there are very important people who do.
Could he have handled it better? Probably. Could the chain of command have been more prompt in aid or conveying their positions or reasoning? Definitely.
I'm just saying relieving a Captain of command is not a big deal.
Also relevant to this discussion, the Navy along with their ships are gay. Imagine taking an Uber and then having to wash the car, stock the guys house, fuck his wife in their basement, etc etc etc. All on the way to your destination.
no logic please
If it turns out that is true, as I said, I will change my mind and he shouldn't be removed. Then he's being held accountable just for a leak (assuming he didn't leak it).
The content of his letter is in no way an issue in my opinion, though some in the NYT article anonymously states they thought it was "panic" inducing. The biggest issue is what to do with someone that very publicly goes outside the chain of command. If you do that, you force your bosses hand to move you because the chain is weakened for others taking orders all the way down. This is a core tenant of military hierarchy. I've been on joint bases deployed with Navy. Their line between officers and enlisted is HUGE compared the Army. And even in the Army such a move could easily get someone removed. In the Navy officer stuff stays officer stuff...period.
I understand that much of thew news is making this out to be a decision about whether the Navy or the Captain care about the sailors. But that is only a part of this. There exists a scenario in which the Captain has valid concerns but has gone about it very wrong. At the minimum that appears to be what happened and even in that situation many times that Captain gets removed. The politics on top of this should not exist unless those politics are why he was removed.
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In the beginning I, like
@Splinty, supported the firing of the captain. But then I asked my ex-NAVY cousin about it bc I saw on social media that he was supporting the guy.I only brought it up today because I read that the captain had tested positive for COVID-19.
I'm usually pro-military, but this one seems like the chain of command is just trying to cover its ass.
Success!
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Apology accepted
You don't have to be pro or anti military to discuss this. This isn't a conversation that has to lead to that team sport positioning.
I once helped shoot 20,000+ rounds into the dark ostensibly under the auspices of "night time weapons familiarization".
That make sense until you realize:
Too many rounds were ordered. It was night time without tracer rounds or NVG. The range wasn't running so now targets. Someone would have to inventory those sensitive items if they weren't all shot by the end of the weekend.
It doesn't take too much to realize we were just wasting this stuff because someone wanted to be a little lazy.
apparently this was the guidelines last week for reporting deaths
it has been revised since
it has been revised since
what did you use to shoot the rounds?
hopefully one of these things attached to a hummer
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