Hoax one was not for u or anybody here.
I bet you can't control your hand touching your face that's why you are against masks.
I am wearing it for 1 month and only accidently touch the top of my nose 1 time and immediately put sanitizer on it. So 1 mistake in 30 days.
to be fair
I was at grocery store yesterday
checker had a homemade mask
She was touching it every 20 seconds and fiddling with it and touching all the groceries and keypads and everything...trying her best but she was 100% increasing the spread of something if it was there to spread. She adjusted it like 10 times and was wearing same pair of gloves for multiple customers.
In theory it is good, but it isn't that simple...I truly believe in some cases it can increase spread due to lack of familiarity with wearing one.
maybe this is a better solution
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New York is slowly but surely becoming the epicenter for antibodies that will save the rest of our lives.
I wonder what is preventing a coordinated national campaign to identify those recovered patients and start an antibody bank.
The FDA has already approved this as an experimental treatment. It's worked before including Spanish flu.
Until Gilead gets done with it's phase three trial this is the only current intervention that might have effects in the critically ill beyond supportive care. The studies on hydroxyzine are not even in the critically ill let alone the whole conversation about questionable efficacy in symptom improvement.
If it turns out that this is not that effective, New York still represents the highest quantity of patients to gather a bank to do the studies. This really should be a centrally coordinated item instead of waiting on our usual bottom up practice that sometimes has difficulty over state lines and regions.
I wonder what is preventing a coordinated national campaign to identify those recovered patients and start an antibody bank.
The FDA has already approved this as an experimental treatment. It's worked before including Spanish flu.
Until Gilead gets done with it's phase three trial this is the only current intervention that might have effects in the critically ill beyond supportive care. The studies on hydroxyzine are not even in the critically ill let alone the whole conversation about questionable efficacy in symptom improvement.
If it turns out that this is not that effective, New York still represents the highest quantity of patients to gather a bank to do the studies. This really should be a centrally coordinated item instead of waiting on our usual bottom up practice that sometimes has difficulty over state lines and regions.
I guess they are dealing with the sick patients?
Trump keeps banging on about a drug that will not hurt people.
that’s not true is it?
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That's kind of my point. If you're a local New Yorker you're involved in the acute care and not dying.
I'm sitting here thinking about what the rest of the medical apparatus can do while we're waiting for the wave to come our way. Serum banking seems a productive use of our resources while we've brought elective items to a crawl.
I just find it a bit ironic that those most affected right now May very well sit on a veritable biological gold mine right afterwards. And i mostly just highlight the self-interest that we should not think of this as a New York problem but a shared problem that we could start on right now in a large way.
Some academic institutions are already doing this but I think this is subpar and mobilizing a large reaction. The fastest way to know if this works and as well to stockpile things is large plasma campaigns followed by large multicenter trials. Large being operative word and I'm not seeing large.
it might not be a panacea but we have nothing for the critically ill except supportive care right now. then we'd have to figure out safety and efficacy for less ill-patients to see about risk and benefits.
And we've got a lot of hematology resources on standstill across the country right now.
the "rest" of our lives?
bit of an exaggeration isn't it?
won't many be asymptomatic or have some symptoms and fight it off?
no need to fuel the fear mongering any further IMO
The antibodies are certainly interesting, my pops would love to submit himself to that test...he lost taste and smell in december(which would indicate it has been here longer than most realize).
Maybe they are having some hard times with everything going on and are incidentally taking their gripes out when on the forum?I think I can recieved PMs cause I've used it a handful of times
I didnt mean to derail thread yall. My bad. And don't know for sure if corona was the cause since hes had cancer for awhile like most of my decrepit DNA family does lol
But even if not related, figured the funeral part is relevant
And also, was hoping that conor and splinter would put on their big boy panties and stop acting like huge meanies
I'm not gonna dignify this post with a response, other than the response I just dignified it with, which is the extent of the dignification it will receive.
That makes perfect sense. But for some reason. Despite this being a known problem and various models showing how the virus will extrapolate we all seem to being going either arrrrrgghhhhhh! Or just waiting for the tsunami to hit.
maybe it genuinely is a staffing issue.
It’s like over here.
we should be running a similar sized testing amount of staff as there is a treating amount of staff.
I have had it. My wife has had it. My mother in law is recovering. Dozens of work colleagues I know have had it. Many close friends and what’s app friends have had it.
when I say had it it’s self diagnosed. But we need to be sure. Then those people should be allowed to assist or do work.
there has clearly been no plan throughout the world. China has come closest by basically imprisonment. But we have to learn from this.
your system of using the first wave who recovered as samples should have been done from China. Then Italy onwards.
it just seems containment has been the go to option. It’s not very pro active
Oh shit...we fucked now
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Lol.
I'm not sure why this got in your crawl. I'm mostly thinking out loud about our list of potential treatment options right now.
outside of supportive care there's only a few on the table as we await things to come through trials. And a vaccine seems like it will be far off despite Bill Gates and others building seven factories or whatever.
So you've got a handful of pills. those should be start testing right now but they haven't shown any efficacy in the critically ill.
You've got Gilead and some others doing some phase three trials on antivirals.
And right away we could start testing recovered serum. One of the biggest challenges to date has been where do I get antibodies from recovered serum since we're not testing.
despite FDA approval if you come in my hospital and are critically ill I can't even trial serum bodies on you because I don't have an apparatus to collect them.
New York represents the largest number of patients and there's a lot of exclusionary criteria even when you find somebody who is a recovered patient. So you need a lot of patients unfortunately.
A lot of people seem to think that this is just a New York problem if they believe it's real at all. I think there's a real irony in New York getting hit the hardest but maybe holding a treatment. And We should be helping them and not thinking of them as some isolated area that this won't affect the rest of us.
Oh shit...we fucked now
If you understood facts then you would understand why they are calling it that dummy.
not everything is a conspiracy.
it’s called 19 here because of the year 2019.
Uganda can call it 20 if it hit them in the year 2020
The 19 is based on year of global discovery, not year it hit a specifc country. It's probably just a typo.
Ok Rambo. Lol!
Who can you call to try to get some ears on this? Seems like a completely logical thing to do to get a start on additional treatment options.
I read that Bill Gates is opening multiple facilities to develop multiple vaccine options and just eat the loss on those that don’t work. Getting things done in parallel sounds like a wise move IMHO.
Coronavirus Fight: Scientists Identify COVID-19 Drug That “Kills” the Virus Within 48 Hours
A collaborative study led by the Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute (BDI) with the Peter Doherty Institute of Infection and Immunity (Doherty Institute), a joint venture of the University of Melbourne and Royal Melbourne Hospital, has shown that an anti-parasitic drug already available around the world kills the virus within 48 hours.
The Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Dr. Kylie Wagstaff, who led the study, said the scientists showed that the drug, Ivermectin, stopped the SARS-CoV-2 virus growing in cell culture within 48 hours.
“We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it,” Dr. Wagstaff said.
Coronavirus Fight: Scientists Identify COVID-19 Drug That “Kills” the Virus Within 48 Hours
@Splinty
A collaborative study led by the Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute (BDI) with the Peter Doherty Institute of Infection and Immunity (Doherty Institute), a joint venture of the University of Melbourne and Royal Melbourne Hospital, has shown that an anti-parasitic drug already available around the world kills the virus within 48 hours.
The Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Dr. Kylie Wagstaff, who led the study, said the scientists showed that the drug, Ivermectin, stopped the SARS-CoV-2 virus growing in cell culture within 48 hours.
“We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it,” Dr. Wagstaff said.
Coronavirus Fight: Scientists Identify COVID-19 Drug That “Kills” the Virus Within 48 Hours
@Splinty
no bro it is a conspiracy!
or maybe just a typo I posted as a joke.
I can't remember
anyways covid 20 is a beast and it came from eating zebras while still alive
1 mistake is enough to kill you dead.
You remember how horsemeat gave us Ubereem? Zebrameat is what gave us Ngannou.