Cris Cyborg accuses Dana White, Ronda Rousey of 'bullying' her in Facebook rant

[Ted Williams' head]

Cris makes a great point. Suddenly Ronda is now the crusader for female body image, but Cris has been getting shit on for her looks ever since she came to prominence in the sport, and Ronda has done nothing but add to it.

It's very clear to me that Ronda and Dana do not want the Cyborg fight. Ronda is a superstar, she can sell a million PPV's fighting girls that no one gives a chance to, like Bethe Correia. She doesn't need Cyborg to draw money, so I think they're happy enough to let Ronda keep fighting lesser challenges and bringing in solid PPV buys. They'd be thrilled if Cyborg dropped off the face of the earth and everyone stopped talking about the fight.

Ronda competed in Judo at 154, started her MMA career at 145 and she can't fight her biggest challenge at 145 or catch weight? Pure duck, IMO.

 

[La Paix]

Cris makes a great point. Suddenly Ronda is now the crusader for female body image, but Cris has been getting shit on for her looks ever since she came to prominence in the sport, and Ronda has done nothing but add to it.

It's very clear to me that Ronda and Dana do not want the Cyborg fight. Ronda is a superstar, she can sell a million PPV's fighting girls that no one gives a chance to, like Bethe Correia. She doesn't need Cyborg to draw money, so I think they're happy enough to let Ronda keep fighting lesser challenges and bringing in solid PPV buys. They'd be thrilled if Cyborg dropped off the face of the earth and everyone stopped talking about the fight.

Ronda competed in Judo at 154, started her MMA career at 145 and she can't fight her biggest challenge at 145 or catch weight? Pure duck, IMO.

Prepare for a possible battle shortly sir.....

 

[Chief]

Ronda competed in Judo at 154, started her MMA career at 145 and she can't fight her biggest challenge at 145 or catch weight? Pure duck, IMO.

I'm not disagreeing with you. But I would like to make the point that women's weights are all over the place for a few reasons. In the beginning, there simply weren't enough competitors, so there were huge disparities come fight time. It's almost like many of the women didn't even know what they were doing. I remember one Hook n Shoot event where Kelly Kobold was being interviewed and she said something about liking "Ultimate cage fighting".

A lot of women first start fighting g to get in shape (Carano's "Ooh baby you fat" story) and so they start fighting with a lot of body fat. Look at some of the female Tuffnuff fights. As their careers progress, they start to lean out and drop weight classes.

Not saying this is the case with Ronda as she was a professional martial artist all along. However that extra weight may have served her well in Judo. Now that she has leaned out. It's not really fair to ask her to pork up with fat for a fight in a sport where size and strength are an advantage.

Cris is in the same situation Ronda is. Top of her weight class with no competitive opponents. The bigger woman you are, less competition is available. This is what took Erin Toughill out of the game. She could drop down to meet competition, and no one wanted to meet her at her weight. After the same banter that we see happening now with Cyborg, years passed and Toughill eventually saw her fighting days pass her by.

Again, I don't really like Ronda. But I don't think it's fair to say she is ducking just because she doesn't want to give her opponent an advantage before the fight even happens.

 

[Narcosynthesis]

Cris makes a great point. Suddenly Ronda is now the crusader for female body image, but Cris has been getting shit on for her looks ever since she came to prominence in the sport, and Ronda has done nothing but add to it.

I believe that prominence in mma started with steroids also. Coincidence?

Ronda is a superstar, she can sell a million PPV's fighting girls that no one gives a chance to, like Bethe Correia. She doesn't need Cyborg to draw money, so I think they're happy enough to let Ronda keep fighting lesser challenges and bringing in solid PPV buys.

and Cyborg only fights future mma hall of famers like Van Duin, Tweet and Muxlow? The competition is at 135 and below. Even Cyborg admitted that back in 2011 when strikeforce/UFC asked her to drop down to 135. Tate, Nunes, Cat and McMann would give Cyborg the best fights she's ever had in her career and Ronda has already demolished 3 of them. Using Bethe as the typical Ronda opponent is disingenuous.

They'd be thrilled if Cyborg dropped off the face of the earth and everyone stopped talking about the fight.

They'd be thrilled if she made 135 lbs clean, fought Ronda and lost and then stayed at 135 lbs so they could have another legit challenger in the division.

Ronda competed in Judo at 154, started her MMA career at 145 and she can't fight her biggest challenge at 145 or catch weight? Pure duck, IMO.

Holm won boxing titles at 160 lbs and 154 lbs and can make 135 lbs. Cyborg didn't always weigh 175 lbs either. In fact she used to be a lot smaller. Her first mma fight was at 140 lbs, in which she tapped out to a double kneebar.

Also, Ronda spent half her judo career competing at 138 lbs not 154 lbs. When she started mma she weighed 160 lbs and immediately lost 15 lbs of mostly fat just by training. I'm sure you've seen the picture of 70kg judo Ronda. If you're suggesting she should fight at her current walk around weight while Cyborg is cutting down from a ripped 175 lbs just to prove a point to her haters, who will surely find something else to hate on her about, then you're delusional because it's not going to happen.

And one more thing, the use of the word "duck" is borderline fighter bashing, IMO. Both fighters are trying to get the fight where they feel they have the most advantage but as it stands, Cyborg fights in the weakest women's division, her title is not recognized by anyone as being significant, she's not a draw and therefore, she holds no leverage in being able to demand at what weight this fight will take place. Ronda has already said in the past she would be willing to fight Cyborg at 140 lbs if Dana asked her to do it, which blows your "ducking" theory out of the water. Dana has been consistent with every potential challenger, make 135 lbs and the fight will happen. He told Carano this and he's told Cyborg this and you can believe if he didn't make an exception for Carano he's absolutely not going to make an exception for Cyborg.

If the UFC adds the 145 lb division, which they won't because it's as shallow as a kiddie pool, maybe we'll see fighters moving up and down the weight classes and a rare catchweight fight but until then the only game in town is the 135 lb or 115 lb division.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

The steroid issue is a red herring. Ronda constantly diverts from the fact that she refuses to meet Cyborg at a reasonable catch weight by asserting that Cyborg could easily make 135 if she wasn't currently using steroids (something obviously Ronda has no proof of). Cyborg making 135 would prove to Ronda that Cris was clean.

Well if possible steroid use is the big factor for Ronda, why does it matter what weight they fight at? Regardless of whether they choose to fight at 135, 145, or 175, they both have to go through the same rigorous random drug testing leading up to the fight. If Cyborg is using PED's, she's going to get caught. I put more value on USADA's drug testing program than I do on Ronda's informal drug test, whereby a 135lb weigh in = clean.

The fact that they feel the need to make this woman deplete herself down to 135 before they make the fight shows a level of doubt, if not plain fear. If Ronda and Dana had the upmost confidence that she could beat Cyborg's ass at 145, she would simply do it. She wouldn't be out making excuses and throwing out red herrings to talk herself out of the fight. If she truly believes she's on the level of a Floyd Mayweater (SPOILER: she's not), she should know Floyd has won titles from 130 to 154 and fought and whipped guys who outweighed him by over 20lbs on fight night. If she wants to stay in her comfort zone, that's fine, but I think an athlete of her caliber should want to truly challenge herself. Right now, she's lobbying to have her biggest challenger drain herself to the point that Ronda can fight a depleted version. If you think it's anything else, you're kidding yourself.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

And to be clear I have no doubt Cyborg can physically make 135. It's not about simply making the weight, it's about an athlete trying to reduce their weight and still be as close to 100% as possible.

The point is, a 135 Cyborg is not going to be as effective as a 145 Cyborg. Ronda should want to fight the best Cyborg possible. She doesn't. She wants to roll the dice and gamble on fighting a weight drained Cyborg.

 

[Narcosynthesis]

The steroid issue is a red herring. Ronda constantly diverts from the fact that she refuses to meet Cyborg at a reasonable catch weight by asserting that Cyborg could easily make 135 if she wasn't currently using steroids (something obviously Ronda has no proof of). Cyborg making 135 would prove to Ronda that Cris was clean.

Well if possible steroid use is the big factor for Ronda, why does it matter what weight they fight at? Regardless of whether they choose to fight at 135, 145, or 175, they both have to go through the same rigorous random drug testing leading up to the fight. If Cyborg is using PED's, she's going to get caught. I put more value on USADA's drug testing program than I do on Ronda's informal drug test, whereby a 135lb weigh in = clean.

The fact that they feel the need to make this woman deplete herself down to 135 before they make the fight shows a level of doubt, if not plain fear. If Ronda and Dana had the upmost confidence that she could beat Cyborg's ass at 145, she would simply do it. She wouldn't be out making excuses and throwing out red herrings to talk herself out of the fight. If she truly believes she's on the level of a Floyd Mayweater (SPOILER: she's not), she should know Floyd has won titles from 130 to 154 and fought and whipped guys who outweighed him by over 20lbs on fight night. If she wants to stay in her comfort zone, that's fine, but I think an athlete of her caliber should want to truly challenge herself. Right now, she's lobbying to have her biggest challenger drain herself to the point that Ronda can fight a depleted version. If you think it's anything else, you're kidding yourself.

So are you saying muscle is permanent?.

 

[Narcosynthesis]

And to be clear I have no doubt Cyborg can physically make 135. It's not about simply making the weight, it's about an athlete trying to reduce their weight and still be as close to 100% as possible.

The point is, a 135 Cyborg is not going to be as effective as a 145 Cyborg. Ronda should want to fight the best Cyborg possible. She doesn't. She wants to roll the dice and gamble on fighting a weight drained Cyborg.

Of course Cyborg isn't going to be the same Cyborg at 135 lbs. She won't have a 15 lb weight advantage on fight night. I bet she'll be faster and more athletic though.

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

It's hilarious how you speak in such absolutes as if you know lol. You crack me up on this subject. You are def a true blue Ronda fan through and through def have to give you that.

RR has said many times she doesn't go above 155 & despite what she's saying now re body image I expect that number to go lower after she's done fighting if her movies take off.

 

[GJdeux]

Cris makes a great point. Suddenly Ronda is now the crusader for female body image, but Cris has been getting shit on for her looks ever since she came to prominence in the sport, and Ronda has done nothing but add to it.

It's very clear to me that Ronda and Dana do not want the Cyborg fight. Ronda is a superstar, she can sell a million PPV's fighting girls that no one gives a chance to, like Bethe Correia. She doesn't need Cyborg to draw money, so I think they're happy enough to let Ronda keep fighting lesser challenges and bringing in solid PPV buys. They'd be thrilled if Cyborg dropped off the face of the earth and everyone stopped talking about the fight.

Ronda competed in Judo at 154, started her MMA career at 145 and she can't fight her biggest challenge at 145 or catch weight? Pure duck, IMO.

All cris has to do is lose weight...how is that ducking? cris should not even be in the cage with ronda until she beats somebody. That is a gift from dana, make weight and she gets a fight. Who's ducking?

 

[GJdeux]

I don't know how I keep getting sucked into these threads..

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

I don't know how I keep getting sucked into these threads..

Strange phenomena ain't it? Haven't figured out how not to yet

 

[GJdeux]

The steroid issue is a red herring. Ronda constantly diverts from the fact that she refuses to meet Cyborg at a reasonable catch weight by asserting that Cyborg could easily make 135 if she wasn't currently using steroids (something obviously Ronda has no proof of). Cyborg making 135 would prove to Ronda that Cris was clean.

Well if possible steroid use is the big factor for Ronda, why does it matter what weight they fight at? Regardless of whether they choose to fight at 135, 145, or 175, they both have to go through the same rigorous random drug testing leading up to the fight. If Cyborg is using PED's, she's going to get caught. I put more value on USADA's drug testing program than I do on Ronda's informal drug test, whereby a 135lb weigh in = clean.

The fact that they feel the need to make this woman deplete herself down to 135 before they make the fight shows a level of doubt, if not plain fear. If Ronda and Dana had the upmost confidence that she could beat Cyborg's ass at 145, she would simply do it. She wouldn't be out making excuses and throwing out red herrings to talk herself out of the fight. If she truly believes she's on the level of a Floyd Mayweater (SPOILER: she's not), she should know Floyd has won titles from 130 to 154 and fought and whipped guys who outweighed him by over 20lbs on fight night. If she wants to stay in her comfort zone, that's fine, but I think an athlete of her caliber should want to truly challenge herself. Right now, she's lobbying to have her biggest challenger drain herself to the point that Ronda can fight a depleted version. If you think it's anything else, you're kidding yourself.

if cris is drained at 135, then she needs to stop calling out fighters that fight at 135. How hard is that? If she is making the call-out, it's up to her to make it happen. So to continue to say if ronda was like maywether she would fight in multiple weight classes isn't a red herring?

 

[GJdeux]

And to be clear I have no doubt Cyborg can physically make 135. It's not about simply making the weight, it's about an athlete trying to reduce their weight and still be as close to 100% as possible.

The point is, a 135 Cyborg is not going to be as effective as a 145 Cyborg. Ronda should want to fight the best Cyborg possible. She doesn't. She wants to roll the dice and gamble on fighting a weight drained Cyborg.

she's had 3 years to do it. What does that say about her desire to fight ronda? not very much.

 

[GJdeux]

I don't know which thread it belongs, but out-of-competition Ronda's ass looks like a bag of smashed donuts. When she wears yoga pants it's like someone emptied a box of fresh Krispy Kreme glazed donutes into a Hefty trash bag, rolled over them with a F-150, and BLAMMO Ronda's ass. She's got the proportions of a 37 year-old housewife that used to be hot, only thinks she still is.

Seriously? I hope you are joking because if not, well...then maybe the UG is more your style?

 

[jason73]

Cris needs Ronda.ronda does not need cris.when is the last time cyborg talked about anything other than Ronda?if she doesn't constantly bring up Ronda no one pays any attention to her.she would have fallen off the radar years ago.i would like to see her give up on fighting Ronda and go to rizin and finish her career being a bigger star than invicta can make her

 

[Pitbull9]

So all athletes should be looked at as dishonest and wrong doing people because Lance Armstrong lied about steroids and Santa wasn't the one eating the freshly baked cookies in the middle of the night?

To be honest he totally could've been I'm def a believer in things most don't believe in ON THE OTHER HAND athletes are the biggest liars and scam artist around. We all seem to not want to understand what they do for a living and what it takes to do what they do and be the best. PEDs are and will always be a part of every singles athlete life in one way or another whether it's illegal or legal PEDs. They will Always do what it takes to get that edge and will go to their grave denying it unless they get caught red handed and even then we still se them try to weasel there way out of things lol. I don't mind if people are naive. I happen to have trained and trained with a bunch of pros in various Sports and I know first hand how it goes with 98 percent of them. In fact I guy I used to buy gear from who did and does still sell to a lot of pro athletes. They like his stuff because he used various blends of things all together in one 10ml bottle so they don't have to take as many shots per week as they would if it was all separate compounds. Again it's all good we all want to believe even me trust that but it is what it is.

 

[Pitbull9]

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RR has said many times she doesn't go above 155 & despite what she's saying now re body image I expect that number to go lower after she's done fighting if her movies take off.

Lance said many times he never used any gear, epo, gh etc etc etc. arod said he never used gear got caught like 5 times. I could go on and on.

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

Lance said many times he never used any gear, epo, gh etc etc etc. arod said he never used gear got caught like 5 times. I could go on and on.

I'm not talking about ped use just what her walk around weight is. We're about the same size by eyeballing her (not the same muscle/fat composition at ALL LMAO shiiiiet) and I'm 155 also.

Peds idk. It's kinda like assuming everyone drinks to get drunk just because that's wtf I do. I'm going with innocent until you throw up and shit on yourself after breaking into Uriah Faber's house.

 

[check it]

Peds idk. It's kinda like assuming everyone drinks to get drunk just because that's wtf I do. I'm going with innocent until you throw up and shit on yourself after breaking into Uriah Faber's house.

that's freakin' hysterical. i know..not on topic but what was that girl thinking..what was her game plan?

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

that's freakin' hysterical. i know..not on topic but what was that girl thinking..what was her game plan?

Hahaha! Now her bare ass will be meme'd tf up and talked about in every interview Faber has. The shitting part LOL poor bitch lollol

 

[Pitbull9]

I'm not talking about ped use just what her walk around weight is. We're about the same size by eyeballing her (not the same muscle/fat composition at ALL LMAO shiiiiet) and I'm 155 also.

Peds idk. It's kinda like assuming everyone drinks to get drunk just because that's wtf I do. I'm going with innocent until you throw up and shit on yourself after breaking into Uriah Faber's house.

Not really the same thing at all melly Mel lol. These guys are pro athletes whether it's football hockey baseball etc etc. what they do isn't patty cake and PEDs are just part of the game

 

[OhWhopDaChamp]

Not really the same thing at all melly Mel lol. These guys are pro athletes whether it's football hockey baseball etc etc. what they do isn't patty cake and PEDs are just part of the game

Maybe so. I reserve my cynicism for weight loss pills, reality television, people wo say 'trust me', and white men who claim to be victims of racism.

But I ain't worth shit so. Derp. :dancer:

 

[Zeph]

Not really the same thing at all melly Mel lol. These guys are pro athletes whether it's football hockey baseball etc etc. what they do isn't patty cake and PEDs are just part of the game

So, do you believe Weidman uses as well?

 

[kneeblock]

I really have no interest in seeing Cyborg and Rousey fight. I just can't imagine it being a good match at all due to their styles just like I never thought Pac and Mayweather would've been good. It's more novelty than anything that makes it marginally interesting.

But both of them have been manipulated into taking snipes at each other, mostly so other people can make money.