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Filthy

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Splinty said:
Link me something to change my mind.
Virologists at large are in agreement that this looks like a natural crossover event.
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what piece of evidence do you find most compelling? And if I show that evidence could be wrong, will you reconsider your position?
 
Rambo John J

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Shinkicker said:
You are breathing through the mask, not inside it. Oxygen and carbon dioxide are gases and can pass through the mask. The only people who should have trouble are people who already find it hard to breathe and someone experiencing anxiety.

Surgeons wear masks for hours on end. Their blood work hasn't shown any higher levels of carbon dioxide.

It's uncomfortable, yes. But once you get used to wearing a mask you literally forget it's there (or I do and all the people I work with). Just like someone first wearing eyeglasses. It's annoying until you get used to it.
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oh ya
I know people get used to it
My lady, my dad, her dad, etc...have worn one all day 4 days a week for 20+ years

I think studies have shown slight decrease in oxygen in the blood from usage, can't speak to carbon dioxide.
 
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Inside Job said:
oh ya
I know people get used to it
My lady, my dad, her dad, etc...have worn one all day 4 days a week for 20+ years

I think studies have shown slight decrease in oxygen in the blood from usage, can't speak to carbon dioxide.
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In the Conclusion of your study:

This change in SpO2 may be either due to the facial mask or the operational stress, since similar changes were observed in the group performing surgery without a mask.



Thus, it is important not to generalize the results of this prelimi- nary study, and further studies involving measurement of gas tensions over time, both from blood and from samples obtained under the mask (in order to show a presumed build-up of CO2 under the mask) have to be carried out to elucidate this issue
 
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Shinkicker said:
In the Conclusion of your study:

This change in SpO2 may be either due to the facial mask or the operational stress, since similar changes were observed in the group performing surgery without a mask.



Thus, it is important not to generalize the results of this prelimi- nary study, and further studies involving measurement of gas tensions over time, both from blood and from samples obtained under the mask (in order to show a presumed build-up of CO2 under the mask) have to be carried out to elucidate this issue
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Yes, I understand it may be a stress reaction. I read that part just as you did. Surely there are many more studies on this, I just posted that one

I have worked with a mask on hundreds of times in my life(hard manly sweaty work) and you are not taking in the same amount of oxygen. I understand not everybody is doing higher heart rate strenuous work so they may not have experienced the difference in doing the same task with and without one on. Understand I am not making a commentary on mask usage regarding viruses at all, just a commentary on the flow of air when one is on a persons face.
 
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MartyLife said:

:smirk:


Namaste
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Shut it down bud
Shut it all down

The moron went to a place people weren't wearing masks while wearing his mask and bitching about non mask wearers.
His attendance at the rally was ridiculous if he cared about catching any of the many viruses in this world.
He ran 5 miles today lol...who gives a fuck about his attention whoring behavior?

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Yossarian said:
Bars, gyms, and theaters, is it even possible to be opened safely?
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As far as bars/clubs go, apparently not

Florida imposed a statewide ban Friday on the consumption of alcohol at bars and nightclubs after concluding that many owners and customers failed to follow rules designed to curb COVID-19.

Businesses that earn more than 50% of their revenue from alcohol must stop sales to customers on site immediately, according to an emergency order issued by the Department of Business and Professional Regulation. Bars can sell alcohol in sealed to-go containers.

Noncompliance, he said, had risen “to such a degree as to make individualized enforcement efforts impractical and insufficient at this time.”

“During the month of June 2020,” Beshears wrote, “the number of individuals testing positive for COVID-19 increased significantly in the state of Florida, especially among younger individuals.”

Some coronavirus cases, he added, “are suspected to have originated from visits to bars, pubs, or nightclubs who have disregarded the restrictions” outlined in the second phase of Florida’s economic recovery plan.

South Florida restaurants with bars have kept their bars closed, though they have been allowed to sell alcohol to patrons with dinner at their tables and with takeout orders in sealed containers. But restaurants will continue to lose out on revenue from people who would buy drinks at the bars while waiting for their tables or from those who prefer to have dinner and drinks at the bar.

“Right now our bar is closed,” said a staff member who answered the phone at Zuckerello’s in eastern Fort Lauderdale, “If that’s the regulation right now, there’s nothing we can do. It’s a higher power.”

Charlie Ladd, owner of Barron Leasing Co. and a board member of the Las Olas Association in Fort Lauderdale, called the order “frustrating for everyone.”

“I only hope the improvements we see with mortality continue,” he said by email. “Shutting everything down again doesn’t work, and the case growth doesn’t look like it is going to stop, either.”

Threat from the governor

Earlier this week, Gov. Ron DeSantis threatened to pull the licenses of bars elsewhere in the state that failed to follow the state’s reopening guidelines.

The state had suspended the license of a popular Orlando bar near the University of Central Florida this week after at least 13 employees and 28 patrons tested positive. The bar may have been linked to 150 cases, state health officials said at the time.

Texas also clamped down on bars Friday as a surge across the South and West sent the number of confirmed new coronavirus infections per day in the U.S. to a record 40,000.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott ordered all bars closed. Up until now, he had pursued one of the most aggressive reopening schedules of any state and had not only resisted calls to order the wearing of masks but had also refused until last week to let local governments take such measures.

“It is clear that the rise in cases is largely driven by certain types of activities, including Texans congregating in bars,” he said. “The actions in this executive order are essential to our mission to swiftly contain this virus and protect public health.”
 
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