Again, it was still a 'bad' stoppage in the sense that a more perceptive ref would have seen that the guy was out. But this reasoning is still somewhat sound and it why it wasn't the terrible stoppage Hardy tried to make it out to be.
I agree Herb is getting too much flack for this stoppage. People seem to forget that the ref only has one perspective, and a very small window of opportunity to make the right call.Again, it was still a 'bad' stoppage in the sense that a more perceptive ref would have seen that the guy was out. But this reasoning is still somewhat sound and it why it wasn't the terrible stoppage Hardy tried to make it out to be.
KOd dude was a victim of his own instinctive reactions. He looked like he was defending himself when he wasn't. Can't go too hard on Herb for unfortunate circumstances.
Interesting pov from Herb. People yell stop the fight all the time. Joe Silva has a famous moment where he's screaming it. But I guess no fans means you can hear everything so everyone has to be on their best behavior. Probably something the UFC should make a formal policy around, but seems they're still making it up as they go.Herb did an interview:
Herb Dean defends controversial stoppage, criticizes Dan Hardy putting on 'Superman shirt'
Herb Dean stands by his stoppage of Francisco Trinaldo vs. Jai Herbert at UFC on ESPN 14 and had words for “Superman” Dan Hardy.mmajunkie.usatoday.com
I'm going to take what @Leigh said, and not watch this video.
Is anyone going to watch a video and listen to this guy talk for over an hour about this?
You expect people to sit through a one hour video? Who do you think you are @Toelocku ?
Well someone needs to provide cliffsYou expect people to sit through a one hour video? Who do you think you are @Toelocku ?
Yeah. The guy who already sat through it. I'm guessing you didn't, who could listn to Dan Hardy for an hour straight?Well someone needs to provide cliffs
I flicked it on while getting ready to go out yesterday.. watched like the first 7 mins and gave up on the idea of going anywhere, no chance.Well someone needs to provide cliffs
Gentleman and a scholar. Much obligedI flicked it on while getting ready to go out yesterday.. watched like the first 7 mins and gave up on the idea of going anywhere, no chance.
his main argument is that refs should be accountable to peers for decisions, and take onboard any points that need sorting.
he goes into detail explaining why Jai was out. including a fair bit of time on a 'fencing position' I think it was, ways of moving which signify brain trauma.
he said it wasn't personal, but then he dug up several videos that made Herb appear quite the cunt, dissecting the failings with an array of precision tools.
in relation to stoppages near the end of the round, Dan showed the end of a boxing match. one guy was winning on all cards but got knocked down hard, with 2 seconds left. ref called the fight off, was criticised but ref explained, if the guy is out, he is out no matter at what time in the fight.
basically refs must do all that they can to learn how best to preserve fighter safety.
Jason HerzogI read about a time Forrest Griffin refd a fight drunk. Guy was out cold and getting beat to death and he kept telling him to defend himself. Ha.
Marc Goddard is the best ref imo. Or Yosemite Sam.
hence "throwing in the towel".Interesting pov from Herb. People yell stop the fight all the time. Joe Silva has a famous moment where he's screaming it. But I guess no fans means you can hear everything so everyone has to be on their best behavior. Probably something the UFC should make a formal policy around, but seems they're still making it up as they go.