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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
Tell that to @conor mcgregor nut hugger he says that's not the case.
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To onlookers it's very unclear what you're actually arguing. I believe that the other two are arguing probably some variation but I am pretty sure that nut hugger is arguing about population spread and you're arguing about individual protection. Right?

I suspect you are arguing past each other.

Masking limits viral spread. Sick people should be wearing mask even outside of this pandemic.

Universal masking in a world of asymptomatic spreaders is better than just masking the symptomatically ill. That's due to our limitation in further technology, but it works given our current circumstances and limitations.

The inoculum theory remains and is suggestive of being true in that very paper. That is, you spread around a lower viral load especially in high density areas while wearing a mask. If you get somebody sick, those around you are less likely to have severe illness because of a lower initial viral load and subsequent inflammatory response. That's the theory and there's some developing data suggestive of this.
They then reference data suggestive that this is the case but it is not a study just a review.



When you say wearing a mask does not prevent infection, that's a very ambiguous statement given the above. Wearing a mask absolutely unequivocally prevents covid19 population infections when counting number infections with mask or without masks.

You seem to be arguing about an individual wearing one mask and going about their day and wondering if their ability to catch the Rona is zero. It is not but that doesn't make your statement accurate to the conversation above where those two were arguing about whether mask "stop Rona" or "do very little".

Masks limit spread and with that you have a lower population rate of cases.
Masks Do not have strong evidence of protecting the person wearing them from incoming viral droplets. They do limit The amount of incoming viral droplets. Well people probably don't get much benefit from masks. But given the lag time of symptoms it has proven an effective measure to attenuate the asymptomatically ill.
 
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Splinty said:
To onlookers it's very unclear what you're actually arguing. I believe that the other two are arguing probably some variation but I am pretty sure that nut hugger is arguing about population spread and you're arguing about individual protection. Right?

I suspect you are arguing past each other.

Masking limits viral spread. Sick people should be wearing mask even outside of this pandemic.

Universal masking in a world of asymptomatic spreaders is better than just masking the symptomatically ill. That's due to our limitation in further technology, but it works given our current circumstances and limitations.

The inoculum theory remains and is suggestive of being true in that very paper. That is, you spread around a lower viral load especially in high density areas while wearing a mask. If you get somebody sick, those around you are less likely to have severe illness because of a lower initial viral load and subsequent inflammatory response. That's the theory and there's some developing data suggestive of this.
They then reference data suggestive that this is the case but it is not a study just a review.



When you say wearing a mask does not prevent infection, that's a very ambiguous statement given the above. Wearing a mask absolutely unequivocally prevents covid19 population infections when counting number infections with mask or without masks.

You seem to be arguing about an individual wearing one mask and going about their day and wondering if their ability to catch the Rona is zero. It is not but that doesn't make your statement accurate to the conversation above where those two were arguing about whether mask "stop Rona" or "do very little".

Masks limit spread and with that you have a lower population rate of cases.
Masks Do not have strong evidence of protecting the person wearing them from incoming viral droplets. They do limit The amount of incoming viral droplets. Well people probably don't get much benefit from masks. But given the lag time of symptoms it has proven an effective measure to attenuate the asymptomatically ill.
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I said:

I haven't heard anyone say that non-medical masks prevent reception of the virus, only that they prevent droplet spread.
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So, I'm not quite sure where the confusion is unless I misspoke and don't realize it.
 
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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
I said:



So, I'm not quite sure where the confusion is unless I misspoke and don't realize it.
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It's because you responded to his meme which linkd your response to The argument at hand.
Makes it look like your advocating for the statement "masks don't stop the Rona"
And with it you get the article and you and nut hugger arguing back and forth and confusion on what is actually taking place.

The statement alone "masks don't stop the Rona" is that its core ambiguous for all the reasons I said above. You just seem to hop on to that argument which adds ambiguity to your position. At least I think that's what's going on watching from the sidelines and watching us all agree and then everybody disagreeing.
 
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Splinty said:
To onlookers it's very unclear what you're actually arguing. I believe that the other two are arguing probably some variation but I am pretty sure that nut hugger is arguing about population spread and you're arguing about individual protection. Right?

I suspect you are arguing past each other.

Masking limits viral spread. Sick people should be wearing mask even outside of this pandemic.

Universal masking in a world of asymptomatic spreaders is better than just masking the symptomatically ill. That's due to our limitation in further technology, but it works given our current circumstances and limitations.

The inoculum theory remains and is suggestive of being true in that very paper. That is, you spread around a lower viral load especially in high density areas while wearing a mask. If you get somebody sick, those around you are less likely to have severe illness because of a lower initial viral load and subsequent inflammatory response. That's the theory and there's some developing data suggestive of this.
They then reference data suggestive that this is the case but it is not a study just a review.



When you say wearing a mask does not prevent infection, that's a very ambiguous statement given the above. Wearing a mask absolutely unequivocally prevents covid19 population infections when counting number infections with mask or without masks.

You seem to be arguing about an individual wearing one mask and going about their day and wondering if their ability to catch the Rona is zero. It is not but that doesn't make your statement accurate to the conversation above where those two were arguing about whether mask "stop Rona" or "do very little".

Masks limit spread and with that you have a lower population rate of cases.
Masks Do not have strong evidence of protecting the person wearing them from incoming viral droplets. They do limit The amount of incoming viral droplets. Well people probably don't get much benefit from masks. But given the lag time of symptoms it has proven an effective measure to attenuate the asymptomatically ill.
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He made a retarded qualifying statement because he knew he could fall back on "but I didn't say THAT!!!" when called out on his bullshit
 
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Splinty said:
It's because you responded to his meme which linkd your response to The argument at hand.
Makes it look like your advocating for the statement "masks don't stop the Rona"
And with it you get the article and you and nut hugger arguing back and forth and confusion on what is actually taking place.

The statement alone "masks don't stop the Rona" is that its core ambiguous for all the reasons I said above. You just seem to hop on to that argument which adds ambiguity to your position. At least I think that's what's going on watching from the sidelines and watching us all agree and then everybody disagreeing.
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Masks don't stop the Rona. It's not really a debatable point (which is why I asked if there was new information) and the messaging that "Masks do stop the Rona" is proving damaging both in Rona containment and societally. I was pointing out that masks do help (by stopping spread of droplets) but that they don't stop someone from catching the Rona. Nuance matters, doc.
 
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conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
He made a retarded qualifying statement because he knew he could fall back on "but I didn't say THAT!!!" when called out on his bullshit
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I made an accurate statement. You like to argue so you busted out a study that confirmed my statement because your excitement outweighed your ability to read.
 
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Can you two twats keep your argument confined to the nuthugger welching thread?
That'd be great
 
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