General Electile Dysfunction: an election that lasts longer than 4 days is a serious medical problem

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MMAHAWK

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Well if you're paying the state $1500 a month then you would be paying about 3 times that to the Federal Govt.
I pay $1500 a month for just health care as a state employee. If I got it on my own it would cost about $600 for the same plan.
I barely make much more that 60k a year. So yes if the feds took it all I’d be pissed lol
 
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I pay $1500 a month for just health care as a state employee. If I got it on my own it would cost about $600 for the same plan.
I barely make much more that 60k a year. So yes if the feds took it all I’d be pissed lol
We need a complete Overhaul of our healthcare plan such that they are no longer linked to our jobs.

As an employer health care cost significantly undermine my ability to hire more people.

As a worker, healthcare linked to my job prevents entrepreneurial actions. It harms small business ventures. It adds so much risks that you cannot leave your big corporate job that can afford offer healthcare insurance. It adds friction to the market place and is anti-capitalist for all these reasons.

Whatever we do with health care in the future needs to be attached to the individual and detached from your job.
 

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I pay $1500 a month for just health care as a state employee. If I got it on my own it would cost about $600 for the same plan.
I barely make much more that 60k a year. So yes if the feds took it all I’d be pissed lol
$1500/mo?

Damn!

That's like $50 a day.
 
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We need a complete Overhaul of our healthcare plan such that they are no longer linked to our jobs.

As an employer health care cost significantly undermine my ability to hire more people.

As a worker, healthcare linked to my job prevents entrepreneurial actions. It harms small business ventures. It adds so much risks that you cannot leave your big corporate job that can afford offer healthcare insurance. It adds friction to the market place and is anti-capitalist for all these reasons.

Whatever we do with health care in the future needs to be attached to the individual and detached from your job.
It would be easier if the greedy and corrupt medical community didnt charge 60$ per tylenol in hospitals and other outrageous prices for treatment. My dad spent 2 days in the hospital for pulmonary embolism and got a 100k bill. Each tylenol was 60$ on the itemized bill. I could buy 10 bottles for that price. That was 15 years ago. It's probably closer to a hundred now

The doctors hospitals and clinics are the root of this issue. End their insatiable greed and it would make it easier on uninsured people
 
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It would be easier if the greedy and corrupt medical community didnt charge 60$ per tylenol in hospitals and other outrageous prices for treatment. My dad spent 2 days in the hospital for pulmonary embolism and got a 100k bill. Each tylenol was 60$ on the itemized bill. I could buy 10 bottles for that price. That was 15 years ago. It's probably closer to a hundred now

The doctors hospitals and clinics are the root of this issue. End their insatiable greed and it would make it easier on uninsured people
Hospital charges are obscene. But you don't understand the billing process (and its idiocy) if you link clinic, hospital, and doctor as one. There are vast differences in what and how each thing gets billed. Beyond that, your tylenol bill is a fake bill because the whole thing is a stupid shell game between entities and insurance.
Hospital profit margins are currently double what they were 20 years ago while physician payment is flat (with the exception of things like emergency medicine that have profited from a broken system without preventative care focus).


To the doc piece...
1/3 of my billing charges are JUST to capture payment from the insurance system.
That is, when you see me and I bill you 70 bucks for a visit (standard cost) 1/3 of that has to go to paying billers just to submit paperwork. This isn't corrupt as much as its terribly inefficient. I have zero control over what your drug prices are when you get to the pharmacy and even when I try to use computers and educated guesses, I can't tell you the cost of the drug I'm writing...even trying to keep it cheap sometimes I'm surprised at what's covered or what's not on name brand plans.


Hospital charges are separate from the physicians fee. But as hospitals bought up all the physician practices, they were then allowed to charge facility fees for clinics. They treat clinics like hospital locations...charge you more for the same services you were already getting. As a private practice doc I cam not allowed to charge this fee. So I make less as a clinic entity even though my physician fee is the same. If a hospital buys me, they can just tack on an extra cost wtf?


How much is all the stuff outside the doctors fee?

Well enough that you can afford to pay a USA orthopedic surgeon THREE TIMES more than what they make in the united states AND pay the patient five thousand dollars and fly both to a luxury five star hospital in the yucatan to place the same prosthetic as the united states and STILL make profit as a company arranging this. Yes its obscene. But most of that payment is prosthetics, drugs, and hospitals.


I'd make more money working in Canada FYI.
 
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My dad spent 2 days in the hospital for pulmonary embolism and got a 100k bill
I would round on that patient and average pay would be 150 bucks for day #1 and 120 for day #2.
If he wasn't in the ICU $270-300 dollars of that bill would go to me. Then $100 bucks would go to my billers. $200 would go to me.
 

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I pay $1500 a month for just health care as a state employee. If I got it on my own it would cost about $600 for the same plan.
I barely make much more that 60k a year. So yes if the feds took it all I’d be pissed lol
I read it as though you were talking about taxes and was like "daaaaaaamn... No wonder he can afford to be a jet setter and roll to all of those fights" hahaha
 

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I said msn, not msm.

And I was referring to Twitter and Facebook actively deleting posts and comments about the subject linked to the NY Post.

That is what's dangerous.
That's controlling the narrative


If you can't see that, I guess you aren't the poster I took you for.
Whats the difference between msn and msm?

I hardly care what fb and twitter do, but isn't this a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation? If they don't regulate, bots and fake news will run wild and influence the election. If they do regulate, some people will call foul and claim they influence the election.

Of course the question is what gets flagged and what does not. But it's kinda like being an admin here, you can't really win.
Seems they saw this as fake news?
 

MMAHAWK

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Whats the difference between msn and msm?

I hardly care what fb and twitter do, but isn't this a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation? If they don't regulate, bots and fake news will run wild and influence the election. If they do regulate, some people will call foul and claim they influence the election.

Of course the question is what gets flagged and what does not. But it's kinda like being an admin here, you can't really win.
Seems they saw this as fake news?
It’s the hypocrisy
Just a couple weeks ago news was all over that Trump called military losers. That was based on 2 anonymous sources. Very vague info to say the least. Now we have a liberal ny post article going after Biden and suddenly it’s not credible enough.
 

Lukewarm Carl

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Isn't the NY Post a tabloid? I'm not too familiar with NY.
Not full on tabloid but it's definitely the one that fits the New York culture better. A bit grimy and brash. The Times is the good one but it feels like it has the lefty spin on things.
 

Lukewarm Carl

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Point is it’s obvious to see that one side gets to spread its “news” while the other gets theirs removed and censored
Unrelated to the Times, Post, or Atlantic...

One thing that ThatOneDude @ThatOneDude using that site kind of illuminated to me is that most of the left-center sites score higher on the "factual" part of things than do the ones on the right-center. There are a few good sites on the right that are really fact based but most of the time they're a little lower on whatever the fact scale is.

And the further from the center they get the more ridiculous in regards to how much bullshit they throw out. That applies to either side.
 

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Unrelated to the Times, Post, or Atlantic...

One thing that ThatOneDude @ThatOneDude using that site kind of illuminated to me is that most of the left-center sites score higher on the "factual" part of things than do the ones on the right-center. There are a few good sites on the right that are really fact based but most of the time they're a little lower on whatever the fact scale is.

And the further from the center they get the more ridiculous in regards to how much bullshit they throw out. That applies to either side.
It really upset people