This is false. The oldest sect in Islam, are fundamentalist/literalist who call themselves salafi. You guys call them wahabis. Even they don’t claim Jihad is a pillar of faith. There’s 5 pillars of Islam. And 6 pillars of iman (faith) none of them include Jihad. Muslims derive the pillars from the Quran, and sunnah (Sayings of the prophet) so unless you can reference in either where it says Jihad is a pillar of faith. Then you’re just making shit up.
I actually already did, a few pages back.
www.merriam-webster.com
There’s nothing more frustrating than when a non Muslim, who’s spells Qur’an with a K, tries to tell me what Islam teaches, based on English translations that he’s found on google. The audacity is something else. Jihad is not a pillar of Iman. We don’t care what some twelver shiah believe. None of theIr core beliefs are actually found in the Quran or sunnah. So them believing Jihad is a pillar of iman, is just another example of this. And I’ve never met a shiah personally who has ever claimed that it was a pillar. It’s unheard of to meI actually already did, a few pages back.
The Koran states, extremely explicitly, that Jihad to defend the Prophet, before his return, is permissible.
As for the six pillars (10, if you ask the Shi'a), how does Belief in Al-Qadar go?
"The last pillar of iman is the belief in pre-ordainment. What this means is
that everything in our lives is already written. It is our duty to know that
whatever Allah wills will occur. Also He is the creator of everything including
our deeds. Allah knows our past, present, and future. Our lives are set, but
that does not mean that we strive any less toward perfection."
The 6 Pillars Of Faith
What are The Six Pillars of Iman(Faith) The pillars of Iman are those things that are believed in, in Islam. Iman means faith. There are six (6) pillars of faith. These pillars consist of: Belief...www.theislamicummah.org
Why is that important?
Contextualizing Jihad and Takfir in the Sunni Conceptual Framework
The concepts ofwww.washingtoninstitute.org
"Nevertheless, both Sunni and Shi’a extremist conceptions of jihad have had a tremendous impact on the West. While the Sunni version is a triumphalist religious ideology incapable of co-existing with Western values or societies, the Shi’a version animates regimes hostile to the West as well."
Because.......
Definition of JIHAD
a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty; also : a personal struggle in devotion to Islam especially involving spiritual discipline; a crusade for a principle or belief… See the full definition
“When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them” (Sura 9:5)
“When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads” (Sura 47:4)
“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate” (Sura 9:73)
“The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan” (Sura 4:76)
Who are these idolaters and unbelievers and infidels? Those who are not strict Muslims. “Muhammad is God’s Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another” (Sura 48:29)
I'm sure we could find a common motive across these attacks.
Imagine trying to defend foreign communities rallying together, premeditating beheadings, in retaliation to a picture.
View: https://www.scribd.com/document/10928188/Muhammad-and-Incitement-to-Violence
There’s nothing more frustrating than when a non Muslim, who’s spells Qur’an with a K, tries to tell me what Islam teaches, based on English translations that he’s found on google. The audacity is something else. Jihad is not a pillar of Iman. We don’t care what some twelver shiah believe. None of theIr core beliefs are actually found in the Quran or sunnah. So them believing Jihad is a pillar of iman, is just another example of this. And I’ve never met a shiah personally who has ever claimed that it was a pillar. It’s unheard of to me
The reason those 6 article of faith are pillars, is because rejecting even one of those things mentioned above, takes you out the fold of Islam. You can’t disbelieve in any of those 6 and still be considered a Muslim. They are core fundamental principles that a Muslim follows. Jihad is not just not one of them and thus doesn’t fall under a pillar. There’s also 3 types of Jihad mentioned in Quran and sunnah, and only one is the thing you keep alluding too.
What do you mean before his return? Muslims believe he is dead, and won’t return. Are you getting confused with Jesus ?
I’ll address the first verse you posted. And hopefully you’ll realise your error in posting the rest of them.
First of all when we look at the Quran, no Muslims reads the verse (especially English translations) and then tries to interpret right off the bat using their own limited understanding. Except for two people ironically. Isis, and people like yourself. You both probably have the same exact understanding
What most sensible Muslims do Is return back to the earliest generations and take their interpretation as well as the scholars who are experts in Classical Arabic and Islamic history/theology. This would be a more academic way of interpreting Quran instead of going in blind
Now there’s different types of verses. Some are ambiguous, some are non ambiguous, some are general. Some are commands (amr) some are rulings (hukm) some verses are explained by other verses in the Quran. Some are explained by the prophet (in his sunnah) this is very broad explanation and it’s a lot more detailed than this and is a science in itself but I’ll leave it there for now.
Moving on to the verse surah 9:5 . This verse was revealed while the muslims were engaged in the Battle of Tabuk. The battle was fought as a retaliation against the buildup attack on the city of Madinah by Byzantine Empire in the year 629. It’s not a general verse, and was revealed for a specific time in a specific location at a time during a battle.
If you look at the tafsir for this verse (detailed interpretations) by one of the most known Quran commenters, you will see this is not a general verse and is specific to the battle that was about to be taken at the time. All events leading up and after the battle can be found in Ibn Kathirs tafsir
Tafsir Ibn Kathir - English [9. At-Tawbah - Verse: 5]
فَإِذَا انْسَلَخَ الْأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدْتُمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُوا لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ ۚ فَإِنْ تَابُوا وَأَقَامُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتَوُا الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّوا سَبِيلَهُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌwww.recitequran.com
This is not a general verse for every day living and is never interpreted in such a way. Except by two people like I mentioned earlier. People like you and terrorists
I try bite my tongue a lot on here as I see a lot of uninformed stupid shit being posted. I never sugar coat my religion. And everything I say is from the mainstream, traditional Sunni interpretation of Islam. You might not agree with any parts or Islam, but I’ll tell you straight up what we actually believe and what is total horseshit
Rather amusing you'd tell me what you believe, and not anyone else.
Don’t try it mate. You were the one posting verses out of context. I just corrected your misunderstanding by posting a scholarly interpretation of the verse you were misquoting
All I gotta say is thank goodness I live in America.
So no proof.
You’re just moving the goalposts. Your initial premise was that Islam and the Quran fundamentally teach and promote terrorism and war with the verses you posted. I proved you wrong and now all you can do is reference actual terrorists Muslims were fighting Abu Bakr al baghdadi and his regime for years, cause they are isis who do nothing but kill and harm innocent people. Mainly Muslims too.
There is nothing for you and I to discuss.
You’re making claims and I’m refuting them. Can you name these terrorist that you are claiming that Muslims recognise as scholars? Give me their names
I'm in agreement with your postings. I feel like me making a google pass and then acting like an expert is like watching DIY youtube and then correcting the plumber. The superficial knowledge doesn't make me know enough to understand context and common practice.
You dropped a few crucial things:
I seen all that but I was about to remove a toilet and didnt feel like copying everything.
I actually have no idea who he is
Yes. Majority of Muslims would openly admit to this. Doesn’t mean they can’t cohabitate, since there are many people and groups of people who live in the west that don’t adhere to every single principle and societal norm that is seen as ‘normal‘ by the western, liberal secular way of living. Orthodox Jews for example, very much have the same stance as conservative Muslims on most issues. In fact, there are areas in London, England, where Orthodox Jews have their own communities. They even segregate men and women in these communities, making them walk on opposite sides of the street.
@George Thoros is the comparison to our non-SecularJewish brothers accurate?
Yes but everyone hates the Haredim especially in Israel and is sick of their bullshit.
Ok great, so you'd say that's a major difference and it might not be the greatest comparison?
No I think
@SAJ made a good point. Everyone has the right to practice their religion peacefully and we have to treat all faiths equally.
No I think
