General Corona virus updates

[Filthy]

People in Ottawa are under a stay at home order and you claim to know someone coming and going frequently who is not being bound by the same rules that Canadian citizens are, a person who also has no reason to be here. When it's pointed out to you that your friend doesn't need to be here, you get mad instead of explaining why what they're doing can't possibly be sent here through any method other than hand delivery.

why don't they need to be there? they live in Ottawa.

expertise doesn't get boxed up, and some problems require an expert to go to the problem because the problem can't come to the expert.
Some people, their job is being the expert. So....still not sure what point you're trying to make.

other than refusing to acknowledge that you're wrong about the person and the situation.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

why don't they need to be there? they live in Ottawa.

When someone who lives in Arizona says they have a colleague that travels in and out of Canada frequently, most people would not assume Ottawa is their place of residence hence my confusion

expertise doesn't get boxed up, and some problems require an expert to go to the problem because the problem can't come to the expert.

What is he going back and forth for specifically?

other than refusing to acknowledge that you're wrong about the person and the situation.

As usual you don't provide any details and then act surprised when people can't read your thoughts.

 

[Filthy]

When someone who lives in Arizona says they have a colleague that travels in and out of Canada frequently, most people would not assume Ottawa is their place of residence hence my confusion



What is he going back and forth for specifically?



As usual you don't provide any details and then act surprised when people can't read your thoughts.

so...you made an incorrect assumption.

no problem. and like I said, it's a DND obligation. That's all I'll say on it, and that's probably more than is necessary to understand the situation.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

so...you made an incorrect assumption.

As I just said.

no problem. and like I said, it's a DND obligation. That's all I'll say on it, and that's probably more than is necessary to understand the situation.

If that's all you want to say, fine, but it's woefully inadequate given the situation.

 

[jason73]

 

[Splinty]

It does not stop you from spreading SARS-COV2 and killing other people with COVID.

Is that proven?
I just thought there was a lack of evidence to date.

 

[member 1013]

she has been wrong every step of the way.

how does she still have a job?

How did you know that?!?

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

View: https://twitter.com/foosgonewild/status/1355671373734047747?s=20

 

[ThatOneDude]

pfizer cut us off too

Moderna joins Pfizer in cutting back on vaccine deliveries to Canada next week - National | Globalnews.ca

It is more bad news for Canada's already troubled vaccine supplies, after Pfizer cut back its deliveries by more than two-thirds since mid-January.

globalnews.ca

That's crazy, your whole country is getting 15k more doses next week than my county.

 

[ThatOneDude]

California is stopping moderna vaccinations due to some bad reactions to this completely experimental vaccine

Probably a good thing you guys aren't getting that BS

Their vaccine actually works, seems dumb

 

[Shinkicker]

Is that proven?
I just thought there was a lack of evidence to date.

The vaccine stimulates the inner antibodies (IgG) in muscle and blood. It does not stimulate IgA, the antibodies covering the outer areas, mouth, nose, throat, etc, which is where transmission happens. That's why the vaccine claim is it's 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 the disease, no mention of preventing the virus.

I personally don't think it keeps you from getting the virus. But I always assume the worst until proven otherwise.

 

[member 3289]

California is stopping moderna vaccinations due to some bad reactions to this completely experimental vaccine

Probably a good thing you guys aren't getting that BS

There you go again spouting nonsense. California never stopped Moderna vaccines entirely, only one batch that they later resumed using:

California resumes Moderna COVID-19 vaccine usage after pause

California's health department said on Wednesday it was safe to continue to use a batch of COVID-19 vaccine from Moderna Inc for inoculation after a pause on Sunday due to possible allergic reactions.

www.reuters.com

Posts like the one I've quoted are the reason admins no longer respond to you.

 

[Filthy]

How did you know that?!?

i'm a man of the world.

and she's been legendary in the scope and magnitude of her wrongness.
She dabs the CCP jizz from the corner of her mouth before she steps up to the microphone.

 

[Filthy]

Is that proven?
I just thought there was a lack of evidence to date.

this bugs me from a science guy. there's no evidence that it stops transmission, there's not even a hypothesis of HOW it would stop transmission.

therefore, it doesn't stop transmission. because science.



EDIT: oops - just read @Shinkicker 's comment, didn't mean to pile on.

 

[Splinty]

this bugs me from a science guy. there's no evidence that it stops transmission

You're in a thread saying it doesn't. Point blank.

The correct statement is "there isn't data to support it."
And I'd at "yet".

Most vaccines result in a deceased transmission level and it seems strange to be so confident on something actively pending.

there's not even a hypothesis of HOW it would stop transmission.

That's not true. There are dozens of studies on this exact topic pending right now.
Israelis suggest they see a deceased viral shed which may reduce or stop transmission in their initial role out.

 

[Splinty]

The vaccine stimulates the inner antibodies (IgG) in muscle and blood. It does not stimulate IgA, the antibodies covering the outer areas, mouth, nose, throat, etc, which is where transmission happens.

This is a misunderstanding that humoral immunity is the only mechanism here that would prevent transmission.
If all we become is blank surfaces and no longer shed replicated virus, you will see a significant decrease in transmission. IgA or not.

That's why the vaccine claim is it's 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 the disease, no mention of preventing the virus.

The claims are 95% covid19 prevention because that's what the study was powered for. It was studied to evaluate if individuals develop COVID-19 clinically and if they develop antibodies. Now they are doing transmission studies.

They all mention transmission on every single website. Everyone "we don't know yet". They have not had the powered study done yet. They are currently occurring for every manufacturer.

 

[Filthy]

You're in a thread saying it doesn't. Point blank.

The correct statement is "there isn't data to support it."
And I'd at "yet".

Most vaccines result in a deceased transmission level and it seems strange to be so confident on something actively pending.




That's not true. There are dozens of studies on this exact topic pending right now.
Israelis suggest they see a deceased viral shed which may reduce or stop transmission in their initial role out.

the correct position is "it doesn't" until someone proves that it does. Or at least publishes research for review.

that's the source of my 'confidence' - not that it's not possible/rational/likely, but I'm confident that there's no data to support making any change to public policy or recommended behaviors, and I think that confidence is well-grounded in Scientific Process and Precautionary Principle.

Because that's the context this always comes up in: "Let's XYZ because there's a vaccine now"

 

[ShatsBassoon]

So Trudeau cancels flights to sun destinations, risking the collapse of canadian airlines. Meanwhile flights to and from other destinations, such as China and Dubai remain open.
Now forced isolation regardless of test results when returning to canada. $2000 at your own expense mind you. Then 14 day quarantine at home, while 3rd party security contractors (I imagine that's on us tax payers dime) check up on you daily.
This timeline licks bag.

 

[Filthy]

@Splinty

i'm diamond hands on social distancing, masks, and contact tracing.

 

[Filthy]

So Trudeau cancels flights to sum destinations, risking the collapse of canadian airlines. Meanwhile flights to and from other destinations, such as China and Dubai remain open.
Now forced isolation regardless of test results when returning to canada. $2000 at your own expense mind you. Then 14 day quarantine at home, while 3rd party security contractors (I imagine that's on us tax payers dime) check up on you daily.
This timeline licks bag.

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it's just a gross violation of human rights.
and it's going to do economic murder.

 

[ShatsBassoon]

Oh and if this doesn't add insult to injury. Why the fuck did big telecoms get anything? It's not like people stopped using internet, or phones or watching tv.

Bell received $122M in wage subsidies, bringing big 3 telecom total to nearly quarter billion —

Bell filed its first provincial lobby registrations in months, which revealed how much the company received in wage subsidy money.

downup.io

 

[ThatOneDude]

The vaccine stimulates the inner antibodies (IgG) in muscle and blood. It does not stimulate IgA, the antibodies covering the outer areas, mouth, nose, throat, etc, which is where transmission happens. That's why the vaccine claim is it's 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 the disease, no mention of preventing the virus.

I personally don't think it keeps you from getting the virus. But I always assume the worst until proven otherwise.

My wife tested negative 3 weeks in a row after being in close contact for multiple weeks with covid positive people.

Just 1 data point but interesting.

 

[ShatsBassoon]

it's just a gross violation of human rights.
and it's going to do economic murder.

But Trudeau can say he solved climate change by grounding flights ?

 

[Filthy]

But Trudeau can say he solved climate change by grounding flights ?

who are the Canadians that back this policy? I don't know every Canadian, but literally every Canadian I know says this is bullshit.

moose shit.

whatever.

 

[ShatsBassoon]

who are the Canadians that back this policy?

whatever.

@Freeloading Rusty ?