Okay, so apparently you're gonna just keep going out of your way to be a discussion-killing prick to me no matter what, because some other asshole used to post here. Even when I go out of my way to try to agree with you and soothe your precious feelings. Grow the fuck up, mate.
I've tried to have discussions with you. When I do you immediately resort to moving the goalposts or ad hominem attacks. You did it multiple time in the above quoted post. You can't have dishonest interactions with people and then act the victim when people tell you they don't see the point in engaging with you. You say you saw toxic behavior ruin a forum, has it occurred to you that maybe you're the problem and not everybody else?
I've asked you a bunch of questions about where exactly you stand (aside from just repeating "both sides"), gone out of my way to agree with you that there are many serious concerns about the Dems and Biden, and about Biden's apparent age-related cognitive deterioration in particular, and cited numerous specific examples of why the two parties are not in fact currently representing the same threat to democracy.
nuance is a lot harder than identity politics, but worth it.
Where is the nuance in just chanting "both sides, both sides" over and over, ignoring any and all evidence presented to the contrary, and acting like any and all politics talk is to be restricted to Qanon-level conspiracy garbage or memes about Biden being senile and that's it?
You're still doing it.
is it possible that both sides are self-serving hypocrites, and not actually "different sides"?
Yeah...... one of us is looking for a civil, on-topic discussion here, and the other one is clearly just going to be a non-responsive prick no matter what.
Yes, it is entirely possible. In fact, it is reality. Obviously. Who would disagree with that? Not me.
And I think the response is, and has been, you're not seeing the situation accurately.
You'll get a civil discussion when you stop making accusations at the posters you claim to want to engage with.
OF COURSE they are both serving corporate lobbyists. OF COURSE both sides are corrupt. That's inevitable. We don't live in a binary world where one side is GOOD and the other side is EVIL.
Accusations that you're just posting memes and gifs, avoiding any and every potential avenue for discussion that is offered, making smug, inaccurate references to me being some other random asshole who I have no clue who he is, and insulting me no matter what I post or what tone I post it in? I'm addressing what you are posting, man. Which is one chant of "both sides are the same" and apparently nobody is allowed to point out that a) that's not really a stance, so much as a copout, and b) it's not even reality-based (which is why nobody who advances it ever makes a serious attempt to defend it.)
That's not at all what has happened. Please stop invoking the imagery of "chanting". It would go a long way to make it look like you're being genuine.
I'll forego all of the historical inaccuracies you're implying there, but it shows a lack of nuance in understanding of the complex and competing interests (both domestic and international) to draw a relative Good/Bad line.
Here's the thing.
Didn't exactly do directly to Godwin though, did I.
are you going to argue that the Democrats aren't an anti-democratic cult of personality? Holy Shit did you see who they elected as POTUS and VP? No one has done more to suppress the minority vote than Joe Biden and Kamala Harris - you're talking about the guy who fathered the 1994 Biden Crime Bill, and the person who was aggressively enforcing its provisions (and covering up it's egregious abuses) long after everyone else had realized the true costs.
Here's the lobby of last year's CPAC. The largest gathering of prominent conservatives outside of the Republican National Convention itself.
But you won't.
Does this make sense as a point to you?
