General So much for "election integrity".

[Speaker to Animals]

Trump 'believed' that there were 100s of thousands of votes that had not been counted. And he was saying "i don't need you to find all of them, just enough for me to win the electoral votes."

Well that actual quote was "find the fraud", which given his personal very distant relationship with honesty, was simply a differently worded directive to find something that doesn't exist.
I can't find on Google whether the election officials had already asserted there was none.

 

[Hauler]

He just needed them to "find" 5000 votes or so.

No biggie.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Can you make a case as to why the Republican Party going full authoritarian personality cult, is not the biggest threat to American democracy in living memory?

You understand that if Pence had not voted to certify in January then America is now in Civil War 2, right?

And you understand that the Republican Party is now openly purging itself of officials who will do what he did, right?

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The Republicans have not gone "full authoritarian" by even the longest is logical stretches.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

Joe Biden and Barack Obama are/were also authoritarian cults of personality, in case you're interested appearing unbiased.

This is just fucking stupid.

you're also overstating Pence's role in certification. He wasn't casting a deciding vote.
Biden is a bigger threat than Trump.

This is also fucking stupid.

Trump's army of retards literally attacked the Capitol to try to keep him in power.

Even that is not enough to cause you to pause for even one second and reevaluate.

There is absolutely no point in even trying to converse with nonstop stupid lies like this. Have a good day.

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[BeardOfKnowledge]

In your opinion, what is the greatest threat to Murican greatness?

America is essentially devolving into a corporatist state where politicians simply do the bidding of big business. It didn't just start but we're closing in on the logical conclusion.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

The Republicans have not gone "full authoritarian" by even the longest is logical stretches.

Well the official party line is that they don't accept the result of the election, because they lost.

And they are now actively installing people who will refuse to certify a future GOP loss, no matter what.

And Mitch McConnell is now boasting that as long as the GOP has the Senate, then no Democrat-nominated judge gets seated on the SCOTUS, no matter what.

So there's that.

JorgeMasvidalsBeard says "no they're not", though, so that probably overrides all of that evidence. To be fair.

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[Filthy]

Well that actual quote was "find the fraud", which given his personal very distant relationship with honesty, was simply a differently worded directive to find something that doesn't exist.
I can't find on Google whether the election officials had already asserted there was none.

the context of the conversation matters. He and his "legal team" were asserting that a significant number of votes had been left uncounted, and that he needed them to find a reason to count 11k of them so he could win the state.

so there was no air quotes around his request to "find" the votes. His position was that they just needed to count the votes that had been cast. It was the whole narrative of "how GA was stolen" - they stopped counts and didn't count votes.

 

[Filthy]

America is essentially devolving into a corporatist state where politicians simply do the bidding of big business. It didn't just start but we're closing in on the logical conclusion.

we've been there for about 15 years now.

 

[Filthy]

This is just fucking stupid.



This is also fucking stupid.

Trump's army of retards literally attacked the Capitol to try to keep him in power.

Even that is not enough to cause you to pause for even one second and reevaluate.

There is absolutely no point in even trying to converse with nonstop stupid lies like this. Have a good day.

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LOL at "you're too stupid to understand this"

typical of your type.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Well the official party line is that they don't accept the result of the election, because they lost.

So there's that.

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Then why was the election certified?

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

LOL at "you're too stupid to understand this"

typical of your type.

Biden has a cult of personality just like Trump does.

Honestly, just.......... if you're just gonna do nothing but lie, just fuck off.

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[BeardOfKnowledge]

we've been there for about 15 years now.

It takes a while to circle the drain.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

Then why was the election certified?

Because Pence understood that his first duty is to the Constitution, NOT to the President and NOT to the people who voted for him.

He's gone now.

So is Liz Cheney, replaced by a lackey who won't hesitate for a second to parrot the big lie.

You have no opinion on that, though, because you don't know anything about it.

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[Greenbean]

Then why was the election certified?

As I recall, most of the gop turned their back on trump as he went full retard towards the end of his presidency. The revisionist history from a gaslighting lefty is par for the course.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Because Pence understood that his first duty is to the Constitution, NOT to the President and NOT to the people who voted for him.

He's gone now.

So is Liz Cheney, replaced by a lackey who won't hesitate for a second to parrot the big lie.

You have no opinion on that, though, because you don't know anything about it.

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Pence is a dyed in the wool Republican. So no, the part's official line is not that Trump won, massive fraud, etc.

While we're at it. If they're full authoritarian, why wouldn't they use the military to take over the country while Trump was the commander in cheif? That seems like page 1 in the authoritarian playbook.

 

[Greenbean]

Lol @ Republicans going full authoritarian.

 

[Speaker to Animals]

the context of the conversation matters. He and his "legal team" were asserting that a significant number of votes had been left uncounted, and that he needed them to find a reason to count 11k of them so he could win the state.

so there was no air quotes around his request to "find" the votes. His position was that they just needed to count the votes that had been cast. It was the whole narrative of "how GA was stolen" - they stopped counts and didn't count votes.

I just couldn't Google whether the State had already declared it done.
If they had it becomes, or very much looks like, presidential pressure to affect the election.
At least, to me, regardless of the politician.

 

[Speaker to Animals]

As I recall, most of the gop turned their back on trump as he went full retard towards the end of his presidency. The revisionist history from a gaslighting lefty is par for the course.

My recollection, and it's not the top notch variety, is that most of the GOP lined up to genuflect.

 

[Filthy]

I just couldn't Google whether the State had already declared it done.
If they had it becomes, or very much looks like, presidential pressure to affect the election.
At least, to me, regardless of the politician.

no doubt it was pressure, but I don't think it was any different than the pressure that (for example) Al Gore or George The Younger was putting on FL in 2000. They want the referee to interpret the rules in their favor.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

Pence is a dyed in the wool Republican. So no, the part's official line is not that Trump won, massive fraud, etc.

Please name some of the likely Republican contenders for 2024, if Trump doesn't run again.

How many of them are going to be running on a platform of "Biden won fair and square"?

Be honest, now.

While we're at it. If they're full authoritarian, why wouldn't they use the military to take over the country while Trump was the commander in cheif? That seems like page 1 in the authoritarian playbook.

Is that what it takes? They need to launch a full-fledged successful military coup, or else they can't be an authoritarian party?

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[ThatOneDude]

no doubt it was pressure, but I don't think it was any different than the pressure that (for example) Al Gore or George The Younger was putting on FL in 2000. They want the referee to interpret the rules in their favor.

I think the difference is Trump was the sitting president, young Bush and gore were not.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

As I recall, most of the gop turned their back on trump as he went full retard towards the end of his presidency. The revisionist history from a gaslighting lefty is par for the course.

You recall wrong, which is why your bullshit is backed by exactly nothing except you saying "as I recall....", which is worth less than nothing.

In reality, the majority of Trump voters think that Biden lost the election, and there is no high-level Republican who openly states that Trump lost and isn't getting either marginalised (Romney) or actively purged (Cheney).

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[Greenbean]

You recall wrong, which is why your bullshit is backed by exactly nothing except you saying "as I recall....", which is worth less than nothing.

In reality, the majority of Trump voters think that Biden lost the election, and there is no high-level Republican who openly states that Trump lost and isn't getting either marginalised (Romney) or actively purged (Cheney).

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It’s like you’ve been in a coma for the past year and a half and woke up and went straight to huffington post to catch up.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Please name some of the likely Republican contenders for 2024, if Trump doesn't run again.

How many of them are going to be running on a platform of "Biden won fair and square"?

Be honest, now.

De Santis is the likely candidate and no, he won't.

Is that what it takes? They need to launch a full-fledged successful military coup, or else they can't be an authoritarian party?

To be declared "full authoritarian"? An attempted coup would pretty much be the minimum bar.

 

[Hauler]

How many of them are going to be running on a platform of "Biden won fair and square"?

Why the fuck would they run on that platform when they can use "Biden is a geriatric puppet who has no idea what's going on and most of the Dems are a bunch of lefty extreme whackjobs"