General Corona virus updates

[BeardOfKnowledge]

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Delta variant showed up in 2020 before India was vaccinating.
India started Ivermectin early and still cases spiked after use peaking at the beginning of May.
The India Delta strain being their predominant strain has not stopped their increased vaccination use from decreasing cases and hospitalizations.
Vaccines remain effective against the delta variant, just not as effective as the original.

India's covid numbers fell off a cliff in spite of their inability to get people vaccinated.

 

[Sheepdog]

So 40% are unvaccinated. And unvaccinated only make up 10% of the population and shrinking. So the unvaccinated ICU patients are four-fold over representation in critically ill patients (this is not totally accurate because I'm assuming even exposure between groups and I find that hard to believe once you're at that high level of vaccination)

Good news! Vaccines continue to lower your chance of getting symptomatic illness, hospitalized, or admitted to the ICU.

It's not good news at all considering where we thought we were a few months ago.

 

[Deleted member 1]

India's covid numbers fell off a cliff in spite of their inability to get people vaccinated.

This will happen everywhere that has a massive increase in cases just like we saw in NY early on and El Paso last year, etc. No interventions needed to see the downslope after you're done killing those that will die from it.

My point is that the delta variant predates vaccination (it developed in an unvaccinated population) and ivermectin usage didn't prevent said variant from becoming the predominant variant.

Said Delta Variant still is responsible for lower hospitalization and death rates in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.

 

[sparkuri]

Thai Cabinet Approves Use of Fah Talai Jone to Treat Asymptomatic COVID-19 Cases

Thai Cabinet Approves Use of Fah Talai Jone to Treat Asymptomatic COVID-19 Cases

thainews.prd.go.th

 

[Deleted member 1]

It's not good news at all considering where we thought we were a few months ago.

If we want to change the conversation from "Vaccines don't work" to "Vaccinations are less effective against the delta variant" I'd agree.

 

[sparkuri]

point is that the delta variant predates vaccination (it developed in an unvaccinated population) and ivermectin usage didn't prevent said variant from becoming the predominant variant.

Well you're wrong here too.
India has a population of 1.3 billion, Ivermectin was NOT used widespread prior to Delta.
That's a fact.
When Ivermectin was a tier 1 treatment protocol, ALL cases plummeted.
Vaccines were introduced, and cases began rising, again.

This pandemic was over, as all usually are after a year.
It's been revived because of government intervention and suppression of various cures & treatments.
It has NEVER been about health.

 

[Rambo John J]

Doctor...

Are you familiar with ADE? Does it concern you?

 

[Deleted member 1]

Well you're wrong here too.
India has a population of 1.3 billion, Ivermectin was NOT used widespread prior to Delta.
That's a fact.
When Ivermectin was a tier 1 treatment protocol, ALL cases plummeted.
Vaccines were introduced, and cases began rising, again.

This pandemic was over, as all usually are after a year.
It's been revived because of government intervention and suppression of various cures & treatments.
It has NEVER been about health.

Delta variant was around in India since end of 2020.
Delta variant became predominant variant.

Both occurred in the unvaccinated population.

Your claim is that vaccines created the selective pressure to make variants. Specifically I said that to date all of the current predominant variants developed in an unvaccinated populations. I highlighted the delta variant and off you go about ivermectin. I'm not arguing about ivermectin other than the scant data. I'd use it in India.

Doesn't change that all current predominant variants, including the delta variant, developed and became the predominant variant in unvaccinated populations.

 

[Deleted member 1]

This pandemic was over, as all usually are after a year.

This is the first time I had considered this or heard this.

Curious about what is the closest analog to our current situation...1918...

Lasting from February 1918 to April 1920, it infected 500 million people – about a third of the world's population at the time – in four successive waves.

So where does this one year rule come from?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

This is the first time I had considered this or heard this.

Curious about what is the closest analog to our current situation...1918...




So where does this one year rule come from?

I've heard 18-24 months before, but a year is a new one.

 

[Rambo John J]

This is the first time I had considered this or heard this.

Curious about what is the closest analog to our current situation...1918...




So where does this one year rule come from?

Maybe the age of mass travel speeds up that timeframe?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Maybe the age of mass travel speeds up that timeframe?

In theory it should extend it.

 

[Deleted member 1]

In theory it should extend it.

Why's that?

 

[Rambo John J]

In theory it should extend it.

how so?

I figured it would speedup the spread and get to natural herd immunity faster. Of course lockdowns and travel restrictions work against that theory.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Why's that?

Because variants travel on planes. On multiple occasions jurisdictions have had things largely under control, and then the planes start arriving...

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Of course lockdowns and travel restrictions work against that theory.

Ding!

 

[Rambo John J]

Because variants travel on planes. On multiple occasions jurisdictions have had things largely under control, and then the planes start arriving...

Variants surely still traveled back then, just not as fast...not sure how that factors in, but it seems it could prolong the time frame also.

It seems that fighting variants is a losing battle anyway, talk about a moving target.

I dunno, call me an dark sick realist but I still think natural herd immunity was the way to go

 

[sparkuri]

This is the first time I had considered this or heard this.

Curious about what is the closest analog to our current situation...1918...




So where does this one year rule come from?

You're not just talking about Spanish flu, you're talking about all coronavirus-related viruses, because they are not novel, despite the propaganda claiming otherwise.

Herd immunity is reached naturally by viral load % & aided by light treatment, case-dependent.
The "one-year rule" is extrapolated from the rate at which the world transports it, and in this case specifically & additionally, it's R-naught.

The nothing burger delta would be the one a sane society would want everyone to get naturally, and treated for as said, due to its cfr.

But again, this is about population control.
Why do you think the push was made to 70% "vax" rate before Summer?

Like I've been saying, September.
Watch.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Variants surely still traveled back then

They largely had to travel the old fashioned way, so people would die before they could bring something to a new place. There certainly wasn't planes with hundreds of passengers going country to country every day.

 

[Rambo John J]

They largely had to travel the old fashioned way, so people would die before they could bring something to a new place. There certainly wasn't planes with hundreds of passengers going country to country every day.

Good point

Makes sense if it was something quite lethal that they mostly wouldn't make it from A to B

 

[sparkuri]

Your claim is that vaccines created the selective pressure to make variants. Specifically I said that to date all of the current predominant variants developed in an unvaccinated populations.

No, my claim is not that this pretend vaccine cauSED delta, but that it AIDS(haha) in spike protein shedding/transmissability as the immune system is hijacked by RNA geared to a specific variant, making higher transmissability of all, in a pandemic that was over, and treatable.

 

[Deleted member 1]

The "one-year rule" is extrapolated from the rate at which the world transports it, and in this case specifically & additionally, it's R-naught.

Can you give me a list of a handful of one year pandemics? Would be interesting to see timelines and causes for ending.

The nothing burger delta would be the one a sane society would want everyone to get naturally, and treated for as said, due to its cfr.

I mean, I'd want to hurry up an catch Measles and gamble my rare death and swollen testicles too in a world with only reactive options. But I'd even more want to get vaccinated and not get it in the first place.

Why do you think the push was made to 70% "vax" rate before Summer?

Because that was expected to be sufficient to drop this into background noise and we could get on with life?

Like I've been saying, September.

I guess I missed that. I will watch.

 

[Wintermute]

Here’s an email from my employer this morning:


Good Morning Everyone,



With the increase in COVID-19 cases and the guidance provided by Multnomah County, we are making a change to our mask policy. This new policy will go into effect starting tomorrow, Thursday 7/29/21 and will be reviewed in 3 weeks.



Starting Thursday 7/29/2021 the following will apply to all employees:



All employees must wear a mask at all times with the following exception:

• Employees at the main Jacobs Heating office location may remove their masks while at their workstation if they provide us with proof of COVID-19 vaccination and are fully vaccinated.

Masks or buffs are allowed, face shields are no longer allowed.



All field employees visiting the office are still required to wear a mask at all times while at the office location regardless of vaccination status.



In addition, all visitors must wear a mask at all times.



Each manager will be presented with a list of employees in their departments that are fully vaccinated, so they can enforce this new policy. If an employee is concerned about another employee not complying with this policy, they are to report it to their manager, who will take appropriate action. Deciding to get vaccinated is an individual decision, there might be employees who would prefer to continue wearing a face covering even if they are fully vaccinated. We will not tolerate any disrespectful behavior regarding this policy change.



In addition, we wanted to remind everyone that we are offering 4 hours of paid time per COVID-19 vaccine. Multnomah County is also offering $150 per individual to get vaccinated and $50 for any vaccinated individual who brings in someone else to receive the vaccine. You can find out more here - Upcoming COVID-19 Vaccination Clinics



Thank you for your understanding and compliance with this new policy. We hope this is a temporary measure to help curb the ongoing transmission of the virus and to keep our employees and their families safe.



Regards,

So because we are averaging 56 cases per week for a population of 735,334, they are recommending wearing masks indoors again, my employer is requiring it. I’m no math wizard, but isn’t that only ~0.00008% of the population? In a county where a majority are vaccinated. What the fuck are we doing here? My employer can suck my wiener. Good thing I’m taking off next week to hang out with my dog while the wife is out of town.

Multnomah county has to be one of the worst-run counties in America.

 

[Wild]

View: https://twitter.com/Trumpgirl19632/status/1420552283360727040


Good times!

 

[Deleted member 1]

View: https://twitter.com/Trumpgirl19632/status/1420552283360727040


Good times!

Please listen to Trump and get your vaccine.