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Dunno. In my experience its stat that would need detail. Whats a "health care worker" ? Does that include janitors in hospitals? Medical assistants in offices?
I don't really have much interest in what any of the above think about the vaccine more than any other lay person. They simply don't have any expertise above the average joe. I'd expect their rates to mirror the general populace.
I'd expect a middle ground for RNs where experience is very broad. I have nurses in my covid wing that think the vaccine "isn't really a vaccine." That was actually what was said today.
@sparkuri would love them. Total cognitive dissonance. And I've been fine with even letting them tell me why. Anecdotes only. No actual data. Then want to ask me to distill down why the patient with spiked LFTs and cardiac issues isn't getting ivermectin and HCQ... 95+% of doctors are vaccinated.
So what's a health worker would be my first question.
As above. 95% of those of that have the most hard science training and most experience get vaccinated.
I'd second guess us if you saw the actual smartest guys in health care (PhDs) rejecting the vaccine. But that isn't happening either and in fact higher education is nearly the highest predictor of vaccine acceptance.
But yeah, I agree. If my friends and family aren't getting vaccinated I'm less inclined. The average joe is just trying to distill down a lot of noise into an educated decision.
I know 5 + doctors who aren't getting it and a dozen + licensed professionals of various fields who aren't interested in taking itDunno. In my experience its stat that would need detail. Whats a "health care worker" ? Does that include janitors in hospitals? Medical assistants in offices?
I don't really have much interest in what any of the above think about the vaccine more than any other lay person. They simply don't have any expertise above the average joe. I'd expect their rates to mirror the general populace.
I'd expect a middle ground for RNs where experience is very broad. I have nurses in my covid wing that think the vaccine "isn't really a vaccine." That was actually what was said today.
95+% of doctors are vaccinated.
So what's a health worker would be my first question.
As above. 95% of those of that have the most hard science training and most experience get vaccinated.
I'd second guess us if you saw the actual smartest guys in health care (PhDs) rejecting the vaccine. But that isn't happening either and in fact higher education is nearly the highest predictor of vaccine acceptance.
But yeah, I agree. If my friends and family aren't getting vaccinated I'm less inclined. The average joe is just trying to distill down a lot of noise into an educated decision.
Which is about to make it interesting as our governor pushes down on the oppression pedal
High Education does not equal Blind Acceptance of New Vaccine...that is some Gamer Dude material
"actual smartest guys"...are you even serious with this stuff?
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You posted a paper. Why you backtracking now?
You posted a great paper.
You said I was leaving stuff out.
I wasn't. You just wanted to post more stuff.
Lets stay on topic.
More from your paper.First case of postmortem study in a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 - PMC
A previously symptomless 86-year-old man received the first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. He died 4 weeks later from acute renal and respiratory failure. Although he did not present with any COVID-19-specific symptoms, he tested ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
In summary, the results of our autopsy case study in a patient with mRNA vaccine confirm the view that by first dose of vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 immunogenicity can already be induced, while sterile immunity is not adequately developed.
My seasonal allergies are a lot better this year.
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@Gamer Dude
Ya
I'm gonna disclose their names and locations dipass
I work for a shitload of doctors yearly.. facts bud.
Known most of them for a very long time.
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I'm gonna disclose their names and locations dipass
I work for a shitload of doctors yearly.. facts bud.
Known most of them for a very long time.
I wouldn't drop your name or credentials if I had them, same goes for those professionals I know personally.
Fact is that not all of the "smartest guys in health care" are on the same page as you...I know that is tough to consider, but it's true.
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I find the U shape interesting and unexpected. I'd want know what the reasoning was across the groups. Does it go from one position to another with education?
But my point wasn't really degree, but rather those at the top of the education food chain in Medicine. PhDs in the medical sciences are way smarter than us MDs.
That study had 10,000 Phds, and while it doesn't break it down, I would guess a fraction of them are biosciences. An English PhD is less of an expert here than someone with a masters in biochemistry.
It would give me pause if I saw a significant number of those PhDs in the field rejecting the vaccine.
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We have been slowing down vaccines faster than most of the US. We can't give them away. Our vaccination rates are all over the place when looking at counties.
On top of that you toss the delta variant in that has 1> lowered individual protection of the vaccine 2> removed the increased data that vaccinated meant limited transmissibility. I'd argue the former is less impactful to vaccine arguments than the latter. I'd also argue that the latter quality of vaccines is perhaps the most important since it results in fire breaks in the populace for disease spread.
So now we have to tell people that aren't that interested in the vaccine in the first place, "hey, this won't keep you from getting others sick, but it'll increase your likelihood of not dying and not being hospitalized". This is a tough sell when there appears to be a significant amount of fatalism, pandemic exhaustion, and personal misreading of risk in this same crowd.
Sooo things will get worse before they get better.
Like the beginning of the pandemic no need to panic, just need to be serious about what it is.
Get vaccinated (short term play), improve your health if you haven't already been working on it. (longterm play)
I didn't see that and don't know what population they were doing.
I also don't have a great understanding of the pathology of "long covid" patients. The papers are all really heterogeneous and it's not clear how often nonspecific symptoms are covid or post ICU syndrome.
I don't think the chronology of immune response from the vaccines (weeks) is compatible with intervening with mild COVID before you either recover or go off the cliff. But I've got no studies to for sure know that.
There's quite a bit to unpack here. I was just pointing out that the oft stated narrative (it appeared in your post) where vaccine acceptance breaks down across education level is no longer true.
Regarding the rest of your post. It's very possible they got a bunch of English PhD's for their survey, it's also possible that acceptance among those in the field isn't as high as we're being lead to believe. Over the last year we've seen people in the medical community effectively run out of town for not towing the official line, it shouldn't come as a shock that they could pro-vax in the lunch room but anti-vax in anonymous surveys.
I think generally "long covid" patients are just crazy people, and the vaccine has a placebo effect. That being said, this came out in March:
Long Covid symptoms ease after vaccination, survey finds
Exclusive: Fifty-seven per cent of people with illness say they were better overall after jab
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I agree. And such a finding would give me pause that I am missing something.
Sounds like you need to do some detective work. I'm not allowed in hospitals anymore after the.. incident...
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I've seen some serious cognitive deficits in some of my nurses who were only sick enough to be treated at home. So removing ICU status from the equation.I think generally "long covid" patients are just crazy people, and the vaccine has a placebo effect. That being said, this came out in March:
Long Covid symptoms ease after vaccination, survey finds
Exclusive: Fifty-seven per cent of people with illness say they were better overall after jab
I've no idea if it's psychosomatic or what.
But it seems like an easy study to design with a vaccine and placebo vaccine. I am googling to find the original study from that article but don't find any that have a placebo arm.
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Tell me you don't know what the word anecdote means without telling me you don't know what the word anecdote means.
I can't post their data
So that is all your gonna get
I hope you have an excellent evening Hug
I wish you nothing but the best
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@sparkuri Trump has been fighting pedophile cabals with JFK Jr for you for years.Now he wants to fight that pedo COVID from getting that sweet young adrenochrome from your immune system.
Trump "came up with the vaccine". He made it for you! Go get vaccinated.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F8mCijMRkc&t=12s
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQeclAOJ1ms
When it comes to the vaccine he's more of a Biden man.
Now he wants to fight that pedo COVID from getting that sweet young adrenochrome from your immune system.
Trump "came up with the vaccine". He made it for you! Go get vaccinated.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F8mCijMRkc&t=12s
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQeclAOJ1ms
I got the 5G from the Pfizer vaccine.
I am now enhanced.
I am now enhanced.