General Corona virus updates

[Deleted member 1]

I seem to recall the flu vaccine is ever only 75% they take the variables of the 9 biggest strains from the year before and just hope the mutations don't creep above it.

Still a bloody good vaccine mind.

Anything over 54% is deemed a success..

In the United States we mostly use a quadrivalent flu vaccine which covers the four most common expected strains and we use Asia and Australia's flu season to help predict the predominant strains coming our direction.

When a vaccine is said to be 75% effective it doesn't mean that It stops It disease three out of four times or that one in four people will get infected that are vaccinated.

It's a comparison of the vaccine in the group against the unvaccinated group.

If I have a group of 50 in the unvaccinated group and 25 develop influenza, The vaccinates group of 50 should develop about 6 cases.

So even a 50% effective vaccine would be expected to take the same numbers and result in 12 cases instead of 25. These vaccine effects are further enhanced if a vaccine limits transmission or duration of transmission.


It's difficult to assess a single line in the sand on what is considered to be an effective vaccine. You have to consider the prevalence of the disease in the unvaccinated population. You then have to consider the number needed to treat to reduce one morbidity or mortality outcome you are measuring.

 

[FINGERS]

I have no issue with the flu shot. It's not very effective, but the personal cost (no financial cost, little to no side effects) mean I take it. I didn't get one in 2020 due to lack of access,

When I said I have no interest in another I was referring to the covid booster that they apparently want everyone to get in perpetuity.

Over here covid is gone.


Vaccines work shock.

The people that cured us of this have now moved on to the bubonic plague.

True story.

 

[Rambo John J]

Care to provide a link or are you just spit balling?

Could all be BS, Could be legit...I am not "spitballing though" just passing on something that passed by my eyes and mind well over a year ago

Article touching on the study

Influenza Vaccine: Military Study Shows 36% Higher Odds Of Coronavirus, 2017-2018

A recent military study shows military personnel evaluated who received the flu vaccine were at 36 percent higher odds of testing positive for coronavirus (pre-SARS CoV2) with varied benefit in pre…

www.disabledveterans.org

Study

Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017–2018 influenza season

Receiving influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as virus interference. Test-negative study desi…

www.sciencedirect.com

Table 5 from the study showing 36% increase in ronaviruses among the flu vaccinated(appears the complete study was put behind a paywall on 9/9/20)

Conclusion from study
"Conclusions
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections."

 

[sparkuri]

Pentagon study of soldiers showed flu jab two years in a row made a portion of the recipents more suceptable to....wait for it....


Coronaviruses

I believe we brought this up 1.5 years ago.
I'm a bit surprised the Pentagon did a study, seeing as how they're the action wing of the plandemic.
Maybe this is the precursor to the universal RNA super everything jab.
If they'de just serve fetuses on board any standard Arleigh-burke class destroyer we could avoid all this ballyhoo, as it were.
Gerber babies.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Over here covid is gone.


Vaccines work shock.

The people that cured us of this have now moved on to the bubonic plague.

True story.

We have a higher vaccination rate here than the U.K. and according to the media covid is alive, well and ready to cripple us.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

For anyone wondering the Texas governor is vaccinated.

 

[FINGERS]

In the United States we mostly use a quadrivalent flu vaccine which covers the four most common expected strains and we use Asia and Australia's flu season to help predict the predominant strains coming our direction.

When a vaccine is said to be 75% effective it doesn't mean that It stops It disease three out of four times or that one in four people will get infected that are vaccinated.

It's a comparison of the vaccine in the group against the unvaccinated group.

If I have a group of 50 in the unvaccinated group and 25 develop influenza, The vaccinates group of 50 should develop about 6 cases.

So even a 50% effective vaccine would be expected to take the same numbers and result in 12 cases instead of 25. These vaccine effects are further enhanced if a vaccine limits transmission or duration of transmission.


It's difficult to assess a single line in the sand on what is considered to be an effective vaccine. You have to consider the prevalence of the disease in the unvaccinated population. You then have to consider the number needed to treat to reduce one morbidity or mortality outcome you are measuring.

But you'd say that 54% on principle is a good outcome?

I've just checked and we go for 7 seven strains in our flu jabs

It seems to work.

 

[Rambo John J]

For anyone wondering the Texas governor is vaccinated.

Thanks.
I am wondering that about everybody that is reported as testing positive, and also about those who have recently died from/with the Rona.

Seems like good data to consider

 

[sparkuri]

We have a higher vaccination rate here than the U.K. and according to the media covid is alive, well and ready to cripple us.

Hell you're already dead.
So is @Lars .
Lars can I have your dynamite stockpile?
I have low-flying drones with radar-absorbent material with a 20 kilo payload.
Meet me @ 550 107 St, Osoyoos, BC V0H 1V4, a few miles west of the 97 @ 3am pst.
Keep it on the dl.

 

[FINGERS]

We have a higher vaccination rate here than the U.K. and according to the media covid is alive, well and ready to cripple us.

I don't belive that.

I just don't believe your stats.

Everytime I've been arsed to check your workings you have been left wanting.

No offence but you do lie.

I don't.

 

[Rambo John J]

I don't belive that.

I just don't believe your stats.

Everytime I've been arsed to check your workings you have been left wanting.

No offence but you do lie.

I don't.

he is vaccinated
you are vaccinated

why would he be trying to lie to you?

I think he is just sharing the media coverage and his experience in his particular area of earth.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I don't belive that.

I just don't believe your stats.

Today, Canada has the highest vaccination rate – of single and double doses – anywhere in the world. Almost 82% of the eligible population age 12 and older have received at least one dose – and 70.3% are fully vaccinated.

‘I knew supply was coming’: how Canada’s push for Covid vaccines paid off

Anita Anand’s determination to get doses for Canadians means the country now has world’s highest global vaccination rate

www.theguardian.com

No offence but you do lie.

I don't.

I don't lie, but I do make mistakes. When I do I acknowledge them. If people want to characterize them as being something more malicious than they are, that's up to them. I can only think of 2 posters here who have ever insisted I'm a liar; you can do with that information what you will.

 

[FINGERS]

he is vaccinated
you are vaccinated

why would he be trying to lie to you?

He's saying the Canadian uptake is better than ours.

Its impossible.

They didn't have the jabs to do this.

Its a lie.

Maybe now folks are moe inclined. But no country bar isreal had a better return than us.

He's lying or doesn't understand.

 

[Rambo John J]

He's saying the Canadian uptake is better than ours.

Its impossible.

They didn't have the jabs to do this.

Its a lie.

Maybe now folks are moe inclined. But no country bar isreal had a better return than us.

He's lying or doesn't understand.

68% here of all adults(in my county)

are those rookie numbers?

 

[FINGERS]

‘I knew supply was coming’: how Canada’s push for Covid vaccines paid off

Anita Anand’s determination to get doses for Canadians means the country now has world’s highest global vaccination rate

www.theguardian.com

I don't lie, but I do make mistakes. When I do I acknowledge them. If people want to characterize them as being something more malicious than they are, that's up to them. I can only think of 2 posters here who have ever insisted I'm a liar; you can do with that information what you will.

I appreciate your acknowledgement of being wrong.

But there is a history of this.

I'm the same once I'm locked in.

I appreciate you saying this. And I hope your brothers and sisters get jabbed tout suite on the AZ jab

I hope the yanks on here realise how important our jab is for the world

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I appreciate your acknowledgement of being wrong.

But there is a history of this.

I'm the same once I'm locked in.

I appreciate you saying this. And I hope your brothers and sisters get jabbed tout suite on the AZ jab

I hope the yanks on here realise how important our jab is for the world

This is where you say "I'm sorry for accusing you of being a liar because you were right and Canada has a higher vaccination rate than the U.K."

 

[FINGERS]

This is where you say "I'm sorry for accusing you of being a liar because you were right and Canada has a higher vaccination rate than the U.K."

I just love you for being part of this select crew.

Nothing more nothing less.

You are loved. X

 

[Rambo John J]

oh man

"Our Jab is better than Your Jab"

The Great Jab Wars of 2021 are upon us

Have mercy on our soulz

 

[FINGERS]

oh man

"Our Jab is better than Your Jab"

The Great Jab Wars of 2021 are upon us

Have mercy on our soulz

We are a small country but invented a jab that is basically the best for the world.

Why wouldn't we take pride in that?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I just love you for being part of this select crew.

Nothing more nothing less.

You are loved. X

He's saying the Canadian uptake is better than ours.

Its impossible.

They didn't have the jabs to do this.

Its a lie.

When someone says "My bad." then it's a mistake. When the double down, and then try to hide that they were wrong, that would make them a liar.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

We are a small country but invented a jab that is basically the best for the world.

Why wouldn't we take pride in that?

You're on a real roll tonight.

 

[FINGERS]

When someone says "My bad." then it's a mistake. When the double down, and then try to hide that they were wrong, that would make them a liar.

Sorry mate.

I apologise. X

But you have extended the truth before.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

But you have extended the truth before.

Of course I have. This is the internet where everyone is a phd in all subjects.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

For reference @Trump 2024 Canada doesn't give out AZ anymore. It got shelved as soon as we had MRNA vaccines.

 

[member 3289]

He's saying the Canadian uptake is better than ours.

Its impossible.

They didn't have the jabs to do this.

Its a lie.

Maybe now folks are moe inclined. But no country bar isreal had a better return than us.

He's lying or doesn't understand.

1 dose Fully vaccinated

U.K.

70.9%

61.1%

Canada

72.3

62.7