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Poiupoiu

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Isn't one of the main goals of the flu vac to reduce seriousness, hospitalizations, and work time lost?
 

Wintermute

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Apr 24, 2015
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Wintermute @peter_weyland the 1st, 2nd, and 5th largest schools districts in Florida are now in open defiance of Ronnie's executive order lol

LOL clowning DeSantis.
 

SongExotic2

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Israel are having a 3rd wave. Anyone over the age of 3 needs a vaccination passport not to go for a cheeseburger
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
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Absolutely there are many new and unique challenges with these initial COVID vaccines. Think about it though, we have been working to develop vaccines for certain diseases for DECADES without success. These vaccines were developed in less than a year - it’s a miracle we have anything at this point. There will be next generation vaccines to be sure, but we will be playing catch-up for a significant period of time before we will be able to have a vaccine which conveys universal protection against COVID-19.
You're conflating the mrna vaccines' existence with them being good. It makes me think of the nostalgia people have for 60's muscle cars. Sure, they're cool, but they're shit cars.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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That's not data supported.
We don't have studies on patient centered outcomes with a booster at 6 months.

A booster results in both immediate viral neutralizing antibodies and increased memory b cells and t cells.
There's every reason to believe that you will continue to have protection against hospitalization and death for some period of time And there's reason to believe that will be long past 6 months. Will it be enough clinically? Will it be enough to move this thing into background risk? Maybe. Depends on number of people getting vaccinated as much as anything. But what we can't say is the absolute that you're saying right now which is not data supported.

A variant would change this. Second generation shots will likely be better.
Given the current climate, "We're still in Beta testing." isn't a great argument against these being crappy vaccines.
 
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why don’t you leave that sheep state ?

Ronnie Desantis will not tolerate this Beeden sheep mentality
Lil Ronnie boy has way less power than you think, as evidenced by 4 school boards making him look like a fool.

Edit - 5 school boards now, likely 6 by the end of the day
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
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For reference Dick Niaz @Dick Niaz I was more than fine with the explanation that "We're working on better ones." It's telling me that the first ones are the amazingest and we're working on amazinger is where you lost me.
 

MMAHAWK

Real Gs come from California.America Muthafucker
Feb 5, 2015
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Every 3 minutes the attendance is getting lower

why don’t you leave that sheep state ?

Ronnie Desantis will not tolerate this Beeden sheep mentality
Because I like collecting the liberal tax payers money with a low stress job that gives me about 50 paid days off a year.

And I own a house with a 1k mortgage
 

Robbie Hart

All Biden Voters Are Mindless Sheep
Feb 13, 2015
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Because I like collecting the liberal tax payers money with a low stress job that gives me about 50 paid days off a year.

And I own a house with a 1k mortgage
Well, stay with that. Can’t see anything here that would match that, especially collecting from liberals. Ronnie likes pissing them off and running them out
 

Rambo John J

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Because I like collecting the liberal tax payers money with a low stress job that gives me about 50 paid days off a year.

And I own a house with a 1k mortgage
I would love a single paid day off per year
Self Employment has it's pros and cons

Hopefully somebody reverses all these bullshit requirements but I'm not gonna hold my breath
I expect Oregon to follow suit soon regardless of the science of it all
 

Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
Feb 3, 2016
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The only way I get a booster shot is if they get rid of the mask talk.

The vaccines either work or they don't.
 

MMAHAWK

Real Gs come from California.America Muthafucker
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I would love a single paid day off per year
Self Employment has it's pros and cons

Hopefully somebody reverses all these bullshit requirements but I'm not gonna hold my breath
I expect Oregon to follow suit soon regardless of the science of it all
I was part owner and VP of a construction company from age 22-35 and in your same situation. Being able to turn my phone on and off when I start and end 8hr shift is worth a ton. Plus I have a liberal Union that gets me ridiculous raises yearly. I get a $1200 check at the end of the month because teachers refused to return without a bonus and I have a me too clause lol.
 

Rambo John J

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I was part owner and VP of a construction company from age 22-35 and in your same situation. Being able to turn my phone on and off when I start and end 8hr shift is worth a ton. Plus I have a liberal Union that gets me ridiculous raises yearly. I get a $1200 check at the end of the month because teachers refused to return without a bonus and I have a me too clause lol.
Sounds nice

I wouldn't be a good fit for any of those jobs during this covid time because I would likely get fired or go to court for non compliance with all the rules and regs being pushed out now.

The rules and reg now make me glad I chose to run my own outfit, I just need to schedule myself more vacations and say no to jobs more often. I do enjoy being able to charge whatever I want per job/per hour even if it is a ridiculous sum. I get taxed pretty damn heavy though so tax season is a bitch, but whatever.
 

Dick Niaz

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For reference Dick Niaz @Dick Niaz I was more than fine with the explanation that "We're working on better ones." It's telling me that the first ones are the amazingest and we're working on amazinger is where you lost me.
It’s fine we disagree. I think it may come down to where we are each setting the goalposts. If the threshold is perfection, then let the criticisms rain down. However, for those of us with direct knowledge and appreciation for what goes into a developing a vaccine and bringing it to market, the fact that we even have vaccines is nothing short of amazing. I would say governments and media have done an abysmal job of educating the public on the role of vaccines and the differences when it comes to COVID-19 compared to those on the CDC recommended schedule. People have the misguided belief that these are intended to be foolproof bubbles and two-jab permanent solutions, and are now making them more polarizing by instituting mandates, passports, and in some cases punitive punishments. They are now reaping what they sowed. Back to the main point, once again we can disagree on the goalposts but in my opinion ~96% success rate against morbidity and ~72% efficacy against moderate to severe disease for at least a 6m period is amazing.
 

Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
Feb 3, 2016
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Because I like collecting the liberal tax payers money with a low stress job that gives me about 50 paid days off a year.

And I own a house with a 1k mortgage
50 days off?
That's crazy.
I get 4 weeks and struggle to get them all in.
 

Wintermute

Putin is gay
Apr 24, 2015
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Lil Ronnie boy has way less power than you think, as evidenced by 4 school boards making him look like a fool.

Edit - 5 school boards now, likely 6 by the end of the day
I wonder what his move is now- he can't roll over on this, he's being made to look like a fool, but he can't fight the teachers' unions. The "Libs" are owning him and that's worse than death for a Republican angling for those sweet, sweet Magat votes
 

MMAHAWK

Real Gs come from California.America Muthafucker
Feb 5, 2015
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50 days off?
That's crazy.
I get 4 weeks and struggle to get them all in.
15 sick can use without any proof
15 vacation
And a bunch of holidays and days before and after.
Plus they carry over and never expire
Currently have 58.5 days available before adding the holidays this year.