General Corona virus updates

[Freeloading Rusty]

He's naive to the evil still! ?

It’s just too thick for non free thinkers to understand.


View: https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1429260452052283396?s=21

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

 

[Rambo John J]

Almost as we should have took this shit serious from the start.


BuT muH SeeDs

Define take it seriously?

Is this a trump reference?

 

[Rambo John J]

literally in the article, the sentence before the one you quoted.

"OUC has used the same liquid oxygen to treat the water supply for years. The process is called ozonation. Liquid oxygen takes away the contaminants and the sulfur smell."

they use LO2 to treat the water, but so much is being consumed by COVID patients there's not enough left to keep the water from being shitty.
so they're lowering the consumption of water to make more LO2 available for COVID patients.

I read the article

 

[Rambo John J]

Oxygen is being used to keep covid patients alive in hospital. Those patients are almost entirely unvaccinated. A+B=C

I read that.

What other things those patients have in common...obesity? underlying conditions? Those are also reasons they are in the hospital.

"Almost entirely" may be true for that location, but it isn't true for all locations, vaccinated are going to the hospital in equal or greater numbers in some places.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

"Almost entirely" may be true for that location, but it isn't true for all locations, vaccinated are going to the hospital in equal or greater numbers in some places.

and is that a common occurrence, or is that an exception among jurisdictions? Personally I haven't heard of that occurring anywhere that hospitals are being overwhelmed by vaccinated covid patients, but I'm certainly willing to listen if you've got some data to share.

 

[Rambo John J]

and is that a common occurrence, or is that an exception among jurisdictions? Personally I haven't heard of that occurring anywhere that hospitals are being overwhelmed by vaccinated covid patients, but I'm certainly willing to listen if you've got some data to share.

View: https://twitter.com/RanIsraeli/status/1423322271503028228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1423322271503028228%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeckford42.wordpress.com%2F2021%2F08%2F05%2Fjerusalem-hospital-85-to-90-cases-are-people-who-are-vaccinated%2F


Yes, I have heard splinty's "its a numbers game" explanation

They are vaccinated and they are hospitalized and making up a majority

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

View: https://twitter.com/RanIsraeli/status/1423322271503028228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1423322271503028228%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeckford42.wordpress.com%2F2021%2F08%2F05%2Fjerusalem-hospital-85-to-90-cases-are-people-who-are-vaccinated%2F

That doesn't meet the criteria at all. What else ya got?

 

[Rambo John J]

That doesn't meet the criteria at all. What else ya got?

Not even sure what we are discussing then.

I just know the word "vaccinated" is thrown into every news story here...it is a pattern. Often it has no place in the story.

I understand the oxygen in that location is mostly going to unvaccinated, just not sure that being in the article is gonna save more water and free up more liquid oxygen.

 

[Splinty]

and is that a common occurrence, or is that an exception among jurisdictions? Personally I haven't heard of that occurring anywhere that hospitals are being overwhelmed by vaccinated covid patients, but I'm certainly willing to listen if you've got some data to share.

Its a continued ignoring of bad math to make a disingenuous argument. Vaccinated individuals end up in the hospital at higher numbers...wait for it...when most of the population is vaccinated. This does not represent the relative risk of being vaccinated vs unvaccinated and is a continued reference to obscure that fact.

10 pages ago data meant to undermine vaccines as ineffective (again, showing that in Israel there are so many people in the hospital that are vaccinated when 75% of the population is vaccinated to argue against vaccination) showed that vaccinated individuals are 5 times less likely develop severe disease (Israel data, appears to define severe as ICU need). Previous studies have shown 10 times less likely for hospitalization overall.

Reduce my patient load by 5 times and I have no healthcare overruns, no vent shortage, etc. This is the same for every other overrun in our state.
Reduce the number of COVID patients by 5 times and you don't have shortages of oxygen.

I wonder how many people have died waiting for a perfect vaccine. I've got a heart attack patient that couldn't get on a vent after they developed pulmonary edema and respiratory failure. Had to transport them 300 miles to find a hospital. Not because we can't handle that normally, but COVID has taken up all the resources. Just spending insane money for no good reason.

I've got one vaccinated patient that has been on a vent. They have an autoimmune disease and were on immunosuppression drugs when vaccinated. I have no idea if that factors in but one would suspect a lesser vaccine response in that patient.
I've had no vaccinated patients die.

At this time, every healthcare overrun is preventable with vaccination even in the world of delta variant. Healthcare overruns are dangerous to all of us.

 

[Rambo John J]

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[BeardOfKnowledge]

Not even sure what we are discussing then.

You're making an argument that hospitals are overflowing with vaccinated individuals. That news story you shared demonstrates that as a population has a high vaccination rate covid hospitalizations will primarily be those who are vaccinated (ie, 95% efficacy means 5% don't get protection). They also aren't discussing an overburdened healthcare system, they're discussing the need for boosters. So I'm not sure that's the side you're really wanting to find yourself on.

 

[Rambo John J]

You're making an argument that hospitals are overflowing with vaccinated individuals. That news story you shared demonstrates that as a population has a high vaccination rate covid hospitalizations will primarily be those who are vaccinated (ie, 95% efficacy means 5% don't get protection). They also aren't discussing an overburdened healthcare system, they're discussing the need for boosters. So I'm not sure that's the side you're really wanting to find yourself on.

I said not all locations are the same...that is all.

I just found the "almost entirely" description interesting.

As far as boosters? Knock yourselves out...no judgement here.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Its a continued ignoring of bad math to make a disingenuous argument. Vaccinated individuals end up in the hospital at higher numbers...wait for it...when most of the population is vaccinated. This does not represent the relative risk of being vaccinated vs unvaccinated and is a continued reference to obscure that fact.

10 pages ago data meant to undermine vaccines as ineffective (again, showing that in Israel there are so many people in the hospital that are vaccinated when 75% of the population is vaccinated to argue against vaccination) showed that vaccinated individuals are 5 times less likely develop severe disease (Israel data, appears to define severe as ICU need). Previous studies have shown 10 times less likely for hospitalization overall.

Reduce my patient load by 5 times and I have no healthcare overruns, no vent shortage, etc. This is the same for every other overrun in our state.
Reduce the number of COVID patients by 5 times and you don't have shortages of oxygen.

I wonder how many people have died waiting for a perfect vaccine. I've got a heart attack patient that couldn't get on a vent after they developed pulmonary edema and respiratory failure. Had to transport them 300 miles to find a hospital. Not because we can't handle that normally, but COVID has taken up all the resources. Just spending insane money for no good reason.

I've got one vaccinated patient that has been on a vent. They have an autoimmune disease and were on immunosuppression drugs when vaccinated. I have no idea if that factors in but one would suspect a lesser vaccine response in that patient.
I've had no vaccinated patients die.

At this time, every healthcare overrun is preventable with vaccination even in the world of delta variant. Healthcare overruns are dangerous to all of us.

My biggest issue right now if the disingenuous way media reports are framing things that are not kids suffering from covid as kids suffering from covid.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I said not all locations are the same...that is all.

Read the post you were responding to, bruv. It was pretty clear.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

As far as boosters? Knock yourselves out...no judgement here.

No, thank you.

 

[Rambo John J]

Read the post you were responding to, bruv. It was pretty clear.

Got it
Israel isn't overwhelmed

 

[Splinty]

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As for what's behind this surge of pandemics, Fauci and Morens say: "Land-management practices have been associated with re-emergences of Eastern equine encephalitis; deforestation with emergences of Zika and Hendra viruses; road-building and environmental degradation with the spread of Bolivian hemorrhagic fever and HIV (infections spread by truckers and truck stop prostitution); and poverty, crowding, and poor sanitation with re-emergences of many diseases such as tuberculosis and cholera."

In an interview with BuzzFeed News, Morens said, "I don't have a crystal ball, but what we are seeing looks very much like an acceleration of pandemics." He then cited deforestation, urban crowding, and wet markets for wild game as causes for these looming pandemics.

How exactly does a global warming climate lead to more pandemics? In an interview with USA Today, Aaron Bernstein, MD, director of Harvard University's T.H. Chan C-CHAN, said, "We do know that climate change alters how we relate to other species on Earth and that matters to our health and our risk for infections." He added: "As the planet heats up, animals big and small, on land and in the sea, are headed to the poles to get out of the heat. That means animals are coming into contact with other animals they normally wouldn't, and that creates an opportunity for pathogens to get into new hosts."

But that's not the only way climate change can contribute to pandemics. Jeff Masters, PhD, a meteorologist who contributes to Yale Climate Connections, noted that an increase in heat waves leads to more people spending more time indoors in air-conditioned spaces, where pathogens can spread via recycled air.

Masters also told USA Today that the global reach of diseases spread by mosquitoes is worsened by climate change, too. Malaria, Zika, chikungunya, dengue fever, and the West Nile virus are all more likely to spread into areas where they currently are not endemic due to warmer climates.

@TJ shat in me mouf! could have told these guys this a year ago. He hit the nail on the head with animal husbandry practices and ventilation being huge issues in disease burden and spread.

I'm not sure how much animal migration patterns will lead to actual pandemics and new disease. But urban crowding, changes in existing disease geography due to migratory patterns of existing disease carrying animals, and bad animal handling practices all seem obvious and realistic threats to future disease spread.

 

[Rambo John J]

No, thank you.

Saw a buddy I hadn't seen in a year or so...he said the same thing.
Said he was fucked up for two weeks.

I don't want any hospitals overwhelmed, that isn't good.

We are very understaffed up here and they can't use all the beds because there isn't enough staff.
More staff will be leaving soon because they are forcing vaccination...its pretty messed up either way you cut it in this location.

 

[Rambo John J]

@TJ shat in me mouf! could have told these guys this a year ago. He hit the nail on the head with animal husbandry practices and ventilation being huge issues in disease burden and spread.

I'm not sure how much animal migration patterns will lead to actual pandemics and new disease. But urban crowding, changes in existing disease geography due to migratory patterns of existing disease carrying animals, and bad animal handling practices all seem obvious and realistic threats to future disease spread.

What if it came from a Fauci shadow funded lab tho?

Gain of Function is a good way to kick off a pandemic also.



I like the part about Lot Lizards...haha.

 

[sparkuri]

You said he was the only one fighting for us.

The fuck I did.
You keep saying this, so for your dopamine-dependent constituancy, let's find that quote, I'll rebut with the context that you've stated throughout your existence is essential, and let's see if we can't garner some more winners buttons for your $0.50 army/socialist fan club.

He only took the vaccine because he was naive.

That I said, and is true, which is about the only thing that your fan club and I agree on, and requires no elaboration.

Did the cabal get him now too?

Yeah, they did, as I've stated.
Maybe as a doctor, you should post for the forum the ingredients of the regeneron cocktail.
Then we can debate that through the totally coincidental financial collapse, world war, and civil unrest as your yacht changes title under the eminent domain clause of the Constitution.

 

[Splinty]

What if it came from a Fauci shadow funded lab tho?

There have been multiple episodes of near pandemics due to the above that have zero to do with a lab.
They have consistently been related to risky/bad animal care practices.
Everyone is acting like there's some conspiracy That years ago so many people predicted a future pandemic related to an animal virus.
It's not a hard stretch. It's how you got SARS, MERS, Ebola, and swine flu.

If humans are going to be in contact with animals it needs to be done in a very specific way.

 

[Rambo John J]

There have been multiple episodes of near pandemics due to the above that have zero to do with a lab.
They have consistently been related to risky/bad animal care practices.
Everyone is acting like there's some conspiracy That years ago so many people predicted a future pandemic related to an animal virus.
It's not a hard stretch. It's how you got SARS, MERS, Ebola, and swine flu.

If humans are going to be in contact with animals it needs to be done in a very specific way.

I hear ya.

Just taking note of Fauci always arguing that a lab had nothing to do with it, but in this case blaming many other factors like in that article.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

@TJ shat in me mouf! could have told these guys this a year ago. He hit the nail on the head with animal husbandry practices and ventilation being huge issues in disease burden and spread.

I'm not sure how much animal migration patterns will lead to actual pandemics and new disease. But urban crowding, changes in existing disease geography due to migratory patterns of existing disease carrying animals, and bad animal handling practices all seem obvious and realistic threats to future disease spread.

Just wait until these green new deal folks find out how bad electrification of the economy is for the planet.

 

[Filthy]

and is that a common occurrence, or is that an exception among jurisdictions? Personally I haven't heard of that occurring anywhere that hospitals are being overwhelmed by vaccinated covid patients, but I'm certainly willing to listen if you've got some data to share.

it probably happens in places where most of the people are vaccinated...