IMG/GIF Let's Talk Canada's New Fighter Planes

[sparkuri]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxK6O5--9Z0

No doubt Chip was chosen for his passion and delivery.
I'm about to make a west coast tactical breakfast.

Enemy countermeasures are what scares me, or secret weapons.
From an enemy mimicking the uplink and piggybacking false Intel, to Faraday "bank busters" and beyond, rendering a fifth gen platform literally useless.

It's interesting to here the comparison to the IPhone analogy, and it's true.
Interesting because when the ATF program was launched(publicly eg; popular mechanics) really only supercruise, stealth, maneuverability, and information networking could be highlighted when "selling it", because CD's were still new. Not until the late 90's did imagination start really coming to life digitally/wirelessly.

It makes me wonder how the civil aviation community will be affected, and limited.
And how the FAA will enforce it, as any Cessna could conceivably be a threat to uplink.

 

[member 3289]

What do you guys send up for NORAD missions when the faggot ass Russians try to catch us sleeping?

I know we send our F-22s (even though we've ended the F-22 program and aren't ordering more than the 187 we have).

 

[member 1013]

What do you guys send up for NORAD missions when the faggot ass Russians try to catch us sleeping?

I know we send our F-22s (even though we've ended the F-22 program and aren't ordering more than the 187 we have).

cf-18s, Canada specific version of the Hornet

 

[member 3289]

cf-18s, Canada specific version of the Hornet

Ah yeah that's what it is. There was an incident not too long ago where we both scrambled our planes when those bastards got too close to the neutral zone, right?

 

[member 1013]

Ah yeah that's what it is. There was an incident not too long ago where we both scrambled our planes when those bastards got too close to the neutral zone, right?

There are many such incidents, and I know for a while the CF-18s were watching Alaska while their fleet had maintenance.

 

[member 3289]

There are many such incidents, and I know for a while the CF-18s were watching Alaska while their fleet had maintenance.

Neither the Russian nor the Chinese air force has anything that can touch an F-18, do they?

 

[member 1013]

Neither the Russian nor the Chinese air force has anything that can touch an F-18, do they?

@sparkuri would be better qualified to answer that I think.

 

[sparkuri]

@sparkuri would be better qualified to answer that I think.

Of course they do

 

[member 3289]

Well I know they have nothing on the level of an F-22 because no one has anything on that level except us.

@sparkuri are you talking about the Su-35?

 

[member 1013]

Well I know they have nothing on the level of an F-22 because no one has anything on that level except us.

@sparkuri are you talking about the Su-35?

The Eurofighter apparently does great against f-22s in mock combat...

 

[sparkuri]

Well I know they have nothing on the level of an F-22 because no one has anything on that level except us.

@sparkuri are you talking about the Su-35?

Well if we're talking avionics I'd say anything from the Su-27 on up defeats a Super Hornet. They were built to surpass everything we had, so yes, the 27, -37.
As a matter of fact the Mig-29 was built to surpass the F-16 and (original)18 in avionics and in most ways does.
But China and Russia have their own ATF's and plenty of them.
The Russia's T-50 is thought to surpass the F-22, and it's platform can be assumed to be no less advanced as any we have, and by the time China has it's ATF's in swing, the global economic shift to those countries will have taken place, unless, God forbid, there is a massive war to oppress that, which appears to be brewing.
That's why I see the U.S. committing so much to UAV's, and why China made the move on Australia and others to control the rare earth minerals.
Simplified, if everyone were to throw everything in an arena, we have more Grade A to beat any A-'s they have, but they're building better A+'s to beat our A's soon enough.
And the strategic Russia/China partnership is one not to be taken lightly.

 

[member 1013]

Well if we're talking avionics I'd say anything from the Su-27 on up defeats a Super Hornet. They were built to surpass everything we had, so yes, the 27, -37.
As a matter of fact the Mig-29 was built to surpass the F-16 and (original)18 in avionics and in most ways does.
But China and Russia have their own ATF's and plenty of them.
The Russia's T-50 is thought to surpass the F-22, and it's platform can be assumed to be no less advanced as any we have, and by the time China has it's ATF's in swing, the global economic shift to those countries will have taken place, unless, God forbid, there is a massive war to oppress that, which appears to be brewing.
That's why I see the U.S. committing so much to UAV's, and why China made the move on Australia and others to control the rare earth minerals.
Simplified, if everyone were to throw everything in an arena, we have more Grade A to beat any A-'s they have, but they're building better A+'s to beat our A's soon enough.
And the strategic Russia/China partnership is one not to be taken lightly.

So we should start on a 6th gen that is the best right? Like what does we do, we need the technological advantage over Russia and China. Especially China but especially Russia but especially China.

 

[sparkuri]

So we should start on a 6th gen that is the best right? Like what does we do, we need the technological advantage over Russia and China. Especially China but especially Russia but especially China.

Again, that's why I think we're heading into primarily UAV's, and why video games are recruiting future AF pilots.
"6th gen" for everyone is already being developed for the lot, as we hear tidbits here and there of top secret new propulsion systems and design.
I think we're at a major turning point in airpower. No smaller a gap than that of the gap between gen 4 and gen 5, and I have to assume at the pace the world is advancing, an even much larger gap.

 

[member 1013]

So should Canada instead focus on Navy Procurement and UAVs?

 

[sparkuri]

So should Canada instead focus on Navy Procurement and UAVs?

I'm talkin' bout SPACE NIGGA!

 

[member 1013]

I'm talkin' bout SPACE NIGGA!

Space Navy bro

 

[member 3289]

@sparkuri you mean Raptor (not super hornet) right?

 

[member 3289]

Because I remember reading on more than one website that nothing can touch an F-22 Raptor in the air

 

[member 1013]

Apparently along with the Rafale, one aircraft which proved to be a real threat for the F-22 is the Eurofighter Typhoon: during the 2012 Red Flag-Alaska, the German Eurofighters not only held their own, but reportedly achieved several kills on the Raptors.

Even though with don’t know anything about the ROE (Rules Of Engagement) set for that training sorties and, at the same time, the outcome of those mock air-to-air combat is still much debated (as there are different accounts of those simulated battles), the “F-22 vs Typhoon at RF-A” story, raised some questions about the threat posed to the Raptor by advanced, unstealthy, 4th Gen. fighter jets.

In fact, even though these aircraft are not stealth, Typhoons are equipped with Helmet Mounted Display (HMD) systems and IRST (the Infra-Red Search and Track), two missing features on Raptors.

The Aviationist » These may be the only F-22’s Achilles’ heels in a dogfight against 4th gen fighter jets

Therefore even though the Raptor is an extremely good fighter, every fighter has flaws that others can take advantage of, one fighter which is capable of using the F-22’s weakness is the German Eurofighter Typhoon.

Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor vs Eurofighter Typhoon » MiGFlug.com Blog

 

[sparkuri]

Because I remember reading on more than one website that nothing can touch an F-22 Raptor in the air

No, I meant the Super *Hornet*. lol
The Mig-29 was in service wayyyy before an F-22 was in production.

As far as the Raptor, anything you read in English will tell you it's untouchable, and anything you read in Russian will tell you the T-50 is invincible, and anything you read in Chinese will tell you the J-31, J-20 are invincible.
NONE of them are battle tested. Not one.

 

[Zeph]

With the advent of missiles like the Meteor, aerial combat is going to become who gains a lock and fires first. In that type of battle information and EW will be king, not how fast you are, or how well you can dogfight. Those missiles are too fast that you won't be able to outrun them, only through firing first, or strong EW capabilities across the spectrum, will help you. That is the direction air warfare is taking, BVR combat with smart missiles that significantly outpace aircraft in speed and maneuverability, hypersonic rockets traveling above Mach 5.

As well as this, in battle scenarios that have been played out by experts the biggest weak point of airforces have been their AWAC planes, which get shot down early, along with satellites, effectively blinding the force beyond a certain distance. The F35 and F22, the only fifth gen planes to have this capability, are their own distributed AWAC network, that can link up with other legacy aircraft to spread the information needed across the whole aerial fleet. Which allows people to make faster, better, more precise decisions as the battle unfolds, creating a chain effect of little decisions that drastically improve performance across the board.

Sparkuri is writing off fifth gen planes because of weapons no one has and no one is close to getting, but the concepts behind them are excellent and work in many different endeavors. Do you know who else uses that same small chain of effect concept? RDA and his strength and conditioning coach, a student of Marv Marinovich, talk about getting RDA in peak condition so that he can be that little bit faster, or stronger, in each engagement which causes a cascading effect of efficiency throughout the fight.

 

[member 1013]

 

[member 1013]

SRY about the music lol

 

[sparkuri]

Wtf are you talking about @Zeph?
I'me not writing off planes, I'm writing off the legitimacy of the contract.
Spin it however you want, believe whatever they say, i don't care!

 

[Zeph]

Wtf are you talking about @Zeph?
I'me not writing off planes, I'm writing off the legitimacy of the contract.
Spin it however you want, believe whatever they say, i don't care!

Enemy countermeasures are what scares me, or secret weapons.
From an enemy mimicking the uplink and piggybacking false Intel, to Faraday "bank busters" and beyond, rendering a fifth gen platform literally useless.