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John Lee Pettimore

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Armed security isn't a non starter. You just don't like the idea because, if I were going to hazard a guess, you think guns should be confiscated and that would fix the problem even though gun confiscation historically have gone very poorly.
Don't tell me what I think. I'll tell you what I think - just ask, and I'll actually tell you straight up, no stupid little games. Weird, right?

You addressed exactly nothing of what I said or the problems with your simple "solution", by the way - just whined about me. What a surprise, eh?

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BeardOfKnowledge

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Don't tell me what I think. I'll tell you what I think - just ask, and I'll actually tell you straight up. Weird, right?

You addressed exactly nothing of what I said or the problems with your simple "solution", by the way - just whined about me. What a surprise, eh?

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I've already conceded its not a perfect solution and this is about the 4th time I'm telling you that. However, that does not mean the idea is without merit. Statistically it's the best solution currently available to us. However, you insist on ignoring anything I say in favor of chanting "You're not answering the question!".
 

John Lee Pettimore

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I've already conceded its not a perfect solution and this is about the 4th time I'm telling you that. However, that does not mean the idea is without merit. Statistically it's the best solution currently available to us. However, you insist on ignoring anything I say in favor of chanting "You're not answering the question!".
"Statistically it's the best solution available to us."

Based on what, exactly? Other than your feelings?

It's the "solution" that the US has chosen, and guess what? Their gun violence is absolutely off the charts compared to every other developed nation.

Statistically, the best solution is a combination of things, "armed guards everywhere" being nowhere close to the top.

Batman shooter James Holmes was clearly and obviously deeply mentally ill. He was socially nonfunctional, his thinking was highly disordered, his speech was very disjointed, and nobody who came in contact with him for more than a couple of minutes thought that he was playing with a full deck.

He still had no trouble buying an arsenal of powerful weapons including tear gas, and a full suit of military-grade body armour, though.

Do you think that the better approach would be having a bored minimum wage security guard with a handgun sitting in the lobby waiting for him to show up, or do you think it would be better for severely mentally ill people like him to not buy these?



You think socially isolated mental defectives like Holmes, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho etc can get these weapons on the black market?

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FINGERS

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Armed security isn't a non starter. You just don't like the idea because, if I were going to hazard a guess, you think guns should be confiscated and that would fix the problem even though gun confiscation historically have gone very poorly.

You say a lot of bollocks a lot of the time but this one is a doozey
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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"Statistically it's the best solution available to us."

Based on what, exactly? Other than your feelings?

It's the "solution" that the US has chosen, and guess what? Their gun violence is absolutely off the charts compared to every other developed nation.

Statistically, the best solution is a combination of things, "armed guards everywhere" being nowhere close to the top.

Batman shooter James Holmes was clearly and obviously deeply mentally ill. He was socially nonfunctional, his thinking was highly disordered, his speech was very disjointed, and nobody who came in contact with him for more than a couple of minutes thought that he was playing with a full deck.

He still had no trouble buying an arsenal of powerful weapons including tear gas, and a full suit of military-grade body armour, though.

Do you think that the better approach would be having a bored minimum wage security guard with a handgun sitting in the lobby waiting for him to show up, or do you think it would be better for severely mentally ill people like him to not buy these?



You think socially isolated mental defectives like Holmes, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho etc can get these weapons on the black market?

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The better solution would be enforcement of the already in place background check system. Lanza isn't a great example, he stole his guns.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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The better solution would be enforcement of the already in place background check system.
That's a better solution than having armed guards everywhere? You never said a word about background checks or anything to do with gun control at all earlier. It was just, quote, "metal detectors and armed guards".

You know one thing that would make a real difference?

Automatic removal of your guns if you're removed from your property for domestic violence. That by itself would knock a pretty big hole in the gun murder stats.

Lanza isn't a great example, he stole his guns.
From his mother, who had an actual armoury just sitting around the house unsecured with her mental defective son who was completely socially isolated and inept, and fixated on guns and mass murder.

Here, Nancy Lanza gets all her guns taken away from her, and winds up in court for that.

And Adam Lanza never massacres 20 six year olds with them.

That's why we don't have school shootings here. Not because we don't have little Adam Lanzas and Eric Harrises - we do. But because they can't get their hands on the weapons.

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"Statistically it's the best solution available to us."

Based on what, exactly? Other than your feelings?

It's the "solution" that the US has chosen, and guess what? Their gun violence is absolutely off the charts compared to every other developed nation.

Statistically, the best solution is a combination of things, "armed guards everywhere" being nowhere close to the top.

Batman shooter James Holmes was clearly and obviously deeply mentally ill. He was socially nonfunctional, his thinking was highly disordered, his speech was very disjointed, and nobody who came in contact with him for more than a couple of minutes thought that he was playing with a full deck.

He still had no trouble buying an arsenal of powerful weapons including tear gas, and a full suit of military-grade body armour, though.

Do you think that the better approach would be having a bored minimum wage security guard with a handgun sitting in the lobby waiting for him to show up, or do you think it would be better for severely mentally ill people like him to not buy these?



You think socially isolated mental defectives like Holmes, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho etc can get these weapons on the black market?

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Would a guy who thinks hes a woman qualify as a severe mental disorder? Being that they are way out of touch with reality?

What about someone with a history of drug use? Would someone with a long and verified history of drug use be able to buy a gun?

Dont cuss me out cunt. Just askin
 

FINGERS

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Would a guy who thinks hes a woman qualify as a severe mental disorder? Being that they are way out of touch with reality?

What about someone with a history of drug use? Would someone with a long and verified history of drug use be able to buy a gun?

Dont cuss me out cunt. Just askin
No.

You are not allowed to buy a gun.
 

Hauler

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There are way too many guns in America to even consider a confiscation. That toothpaste isn't going back into the tube. And the logical argument against it is that only the law-abiding citizens will comply. That's no bueno.

And what of the hunters? We just going to abolish that activity? If I can't hang out of a helicopter with a spotlight and an ar-15 while I slaughter wild hogs by the hundreds then why do I even live in America?
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Would a guy who thinks hes a woman qualify as a severe mental disorder? Being that they are way out of touch with reality?
I personally would consider that a mental disorder, sure.

It's not one that is linked to violent behaviour though, so not really relevant to guns.

What about someone with a history of drug use? Would someone with a long and verified history of drug use be able to buy a gun?
Drug use? Not unless it's accompanied by crimes of violence (burglary is considered violence.)

There's a lot of room for debate about where exactly the line should be drawn. If it's even possible to draw a line fairly. It's a complex subject, to put it mildly.

Dont cuss me out cunt. Just askin
Why would I cuss you out? Your question is reasonable and you're asking it in good faith, and responding to what I reply. You're not posting stupid gifs or playing stupid word games or deflecting everything or ignoring every point I make, or just telling me what a prick I am with every reply. Why would I curse you out? For having a different opinion than me?

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Hauler

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Would a guy who thinks hes a woman qualify as a severe mental disorder? Being that they are way out of touch with reality?
Haha
Trigger Alert



We need that sweaty dude who has to choose which red button to push.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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That's a better solution than having armed guards everywhere? You never said a word about background checks or anything to do with gun control at all earlier. It was just, quote, "metal detectors and armed guards".

You know one thing that would make a real difference?

Automatic removal of your guns if you're removed from your property for domestic violence. That by itself would knock a pretty big hole in the gun murder stats.



From his mother, who had an actual armoury just sitting around the house unsecured with her mental defective son who was completely socially isolated and inept, and fixated on guns and mass murder.

Here, Nancy Lanza gets all her guns taken away from her, and winds up in court for that.

And Adam Lanza never massacres 20 six year olds with them.

That's why we don't have school shootings here. Not because we don't have little Adam Lanzas and Eric Harrises - we do. But because they can't get their hands on the weapons.

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So as long as a mass shooting doesn't happen in a school it doesn't count? Lol, k.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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There are way too many guns in America to even consider a confiscation. That toothpaste isn't going back into the tube. And the logical argument against it is that only the law-abiding citizens will comply. That's no bueno.

And what of the hunters? We just going to abolish that activity? If I can't hang out of a helicopter with a spotlight and an ar-15 while I slaughter wild hogs by the hundreds then why do I even live in America?
You should run for President.
 

Filthy

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Like at Columbine?

There was an armed, sworn sheriff's deputy on scene at the school when it kicked off. Neil Gardner. He exchanged fire with both killers before they even entered the school building, in fact.

Or at Stoneman Douglas? Same thing. Armed, uniformed sheriff's deputy Scot Peterson was already on the scene when the shooting began. Just like at Columbine, he was a total non-factor.

Virginia Tech had armed campus security as well.

So that doesn't work.

Who pays for this, by the way? Where does the money come from, to install metal detectors and pay armed guards? Who are the guards - what training do they have, and why are they the solution, when they were already on scene at multiple of the most high profile, deadliest massacres and had no impact on events at all?

Seems like the solution is more nuanced and complicated than your one-line blanket statement acknowledges. Surprising, huh?

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are you familiar the "Riot In Slow Motion" explanation of school shootings and other mass killing events?
 

John Lee Pettimore

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are you familiar the "Riot In Slow Motion" explanation of school shootings and other mass killing events?
Yeah, I think there's some validity to it as well. They definitely happen in clusters, and it is for sure the right tactic for the media to downplay the killer's identity and motivations. Referring to him as "the shooter" or "the gunman" and not broadcasting his message (like a manifesto) will go a long way to lessening the number of mass shootings in general and school shootings in particular. Most school shooters basically do it for attention.

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BeardOfKnowledge

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This cartoon is incorrect because the crucial gun laws operate on a municipal and state level newsom for CA and local sheriffs in any U.S city are more important to your ability to have guns than the president. Sheriffs also issue conceal carry permits at least in CA.
Clinton also passed a gun ban law and Biden was the one who said he was going to "Take your AR 14!"