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Rambo John J

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The landscape labourer telling the good doc about science ???
1-You have my job wrong
2- I didn't know he was referred to as the "good doc", is that supposed to mean something?

The "good doc" is still parroting that "the unvaccinated are causing variants", that is laughable

Do you blame the unvaccinated for your governments mandates/tyranny and the pandemic as a whole rusty?
I am genuinely curious as to where you are placing blame...
 
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Still blaming the unvaccinated ?

That is really sad...Science wise.

Your smarter than this Splinty.

1> Primary variants to date have all developed in unvaccinated populations. This continues to remain true with omicron which will become the dominant variant in most places relatively quickly.

2> There's obvious arguments from different factions or the FDA wouldn't have authorized boosters when the FDA advisory panel said its better to send them overseas. But to your point, my words were:

The thought is that said unvaccinated population will generate broader spread with greater variants and resource over runs in their countries. While the main shot series is still pretty good at preventing hospitalization and death without boosters. WHO thinks that we will boost up only for the unvaccinated world show up with yet another variant undermining those boosters.
It was a description of the WHOs position, not a blame of the unvaccinated.
 

Rambo John J

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1> Primary variants to date have all developed in unvaccinated populations. This continues to remain true with omicron which will become the dominant variant in most places relatively quickly.

2> There's obvious arguments from different factions or the FDA wouldn't have authorized boosters when the FDA advisory panel said its better to send them overseas. But to your point, my words were:



It was a description of the WHOs position, not a blame of the unvaccinated.
Ok...
Sure seemed like another "lets get everybody vaccinated, it will end the pandemic" pitch.

That sales pitch has proven to be completely false and the science/data proves it.

At some point I hope you and others, can admit there is more to this than "vaccination rate".
 
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Freeloading Rusty

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1-You have my job wrong
2- I didn't know he was referred to as the "good doc", is that supposed to mean something?

The "good doc" is still parroting that "the unvaccinated are causing variants", that is laughable

Do you blame the unvaccinated for your governments mandates/tyranny and the pandemic as a whole rusty?
I am genuinely curious as to where you are placing blame...
How that poop?
 
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Sure seemed like another "lets get everybody vaccinated, it will end the pandemic pitch"
If you guys would stop posting out of context headlines I wouldn't have to spell out what was actually said.

Sure seemed like another "lets get everybody vaccinated, it will end the pandemic pitch"

That sales pitch has proven to be completely false and the science proves it.
To this point.
Vaccination is the current fastest way to end this pandemic. I'm not sure what science you are references. The virus will be endemic and through either large deaths and/or vaccination it will fall into the background noise of all other disease we routinely vaccinate and/or treat.

The thing you actually care about, shared decision making infringing on your personal right to do anything including unsafe things, is directly tied to this.

Vaccination results in personal ability to not be hospitalized or die from another's decision to not get vaccinated. And when enough are vaccinated and we stop resource over runs no one has a real good argument about why you owe them vaccination outside of those that can't be vaccinated and variant creation.

You get what you want faster when more and more people are vaccinated.

If you really believe in a choice then your own self interest in not being vaccinated, and also not being blamed for it, should easily find a way to be at peace if everyone else chose to get vaccinated.

At some point I hope you and others, can admit there is more to it than "vaccination rate".
There is. But you are against those things too. And no one is saying otherwise.

You've already said you are against doing anything outside of natural remedies out of a world view that living or dying represents being in sync with natural balance of some kind.
 

sparkuri

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I didn't expect to see @
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@sparkuri championing that we should be sending our vaccines overseas, but here we are.

Public health wise, its probably better to vaccinated 100 million unvaccinated than boost 200 million Americans.

That's the FDA, WHO, and apparently @
sparkuri
@sparkuri position as well.
I know you're jabbed, but could you stop being SO jabbed?
 
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It's probably pretty early to make that statement so absolute as a congressman, but let's hope its true. Rapid spread without killing you and generate enough antibodies for future infections to also be mild?

That would be excellent.

Only concern will be if spread is fast enough that your 0.1% of severe end up sick all at once resulting in resource overruns. But that would be a limited wave.

Fingers crossed the early observations hold out.
 

Rambo John J

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If you guys would stop posting out of context headlines I wouldn't have to spell out what was actually said.



To this point.
Vaccination is the current fastest way to end this pandemic. I'm not sure what science you are references. The virus will be endemic and through either large deaths and/or vaccination it will fall into the background noise of all other disease we routinely vaccinate and/or treat.

The thing you actually care about, shared decision making infringing on your personal right to do anything including unsafe things, is directly tied to this.

Vaccination results in personal ability to not be hospitalized or die from another's decision to not get vaccinated. And when enough are vaccinated and we stop resource over runs no one has a real good argument about why you owe them vaccination outside of those that can't be vaccinated and variant creation.

You get what you want faster when more and more people are vaccinated.

If you really believe in a choice then your own self interest in not being vaccinated, and also not being blamed for it, should easily find a way to be at peace if everyone else chose to get vaccinated.



There is. But you are against those things too. And no one is saying otherwise.

You've already said you are against doing anything outside of natural remedies out of a world view that living or dying represents being in sync with natural balance of some kind.
I'm fine with others being vaccinated, never said otherwise.
I will take what precautions I feel are prudent and I respect others doing the same.

I don't like them being misled on the efficacy and how many vaccinations they will be subject to. Or them being told they will be "back to normal", that was and is complete BS. This is blatantly about control, if that isn't evident yet to certain people it will be in time. I take zero pride in pointing this stuff out, it truly saddens me.

There never was an effective coronavirus vaccine and there still isn't, that is what I heard what I consider wise doctors/experts say early on. I feel this still holds water.

I shouldn't have responded to you, because I know/knew how this exchange was gonna go.

Have a good night and take care, I truly mean that.
Enjoy.
 
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I know you're jabbed, but could you stop being SO jabbed?
Not sure why you are promoting the WHO position on vaccine resource utilization but glad to see you looking out for the poor in Africa as much as the rich in the USA.
 

sparkuri

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If you guys would stop posting out of context headlines I wouldn't have to spell out what was actually said.



To this point.
Vaccination is the current fastest way to end this pandemic. I'm not sure what science you are references. The virus will be endemic and through either large deaths and/or vaccination it will fall into the background noise of all other disease we routinely vaccinate and/or treat.

The thing you actually care about, shared decision making infringing on your personal right to do anything including unsafe things, is directly tied to this.

Vaccination results in personal ability to not be hospitalized or die from another's decision to not get vaccinated. And when enough are vaccinated and we stop resource over runs no one has a real good argument about why you owe them vaccination outside of those that can't be vaccinated and variant creation.

You get what you want faster when more and more people are vaccinated.

If you really believe in a choice then your own self interest in not being vaccinated, and also not being blamed for it, should easily find a way to be at peace if everyone else chose to get vaccinated.



There is. But you are against those things too. And no one is saying otherwise.

You've already said you are against doing anything outside of natural remedies out of a world view that living or dying represents being in sync with natural balance of some kind.
There's not a PHD in anything that wears a cape that agrees with you.
If you could post one that doesn't contract with a media station that'd be great.
 
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It's premature on all fronts. The population in south africa had a lot of HIV patients who were unvaccinated. Hard to know if that spike will be seen elsewhere.

If regular old vaccines and/or recovered patients make omicron a mild nothingburger then at least we will have a tool and we need to better contextualize "cases" since it doesn't really matter if the current tool is working.
 

sparkuri

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Not sure why you are promoting the WHO position on vaccine resource utilization but glad to see you looking out for the poor in Africa as much as the rich in the USA.
I wasn't promoting anything, you're probably the only guy that read it that way.
I'm thinking an ice bath might work wonders, maybe just try a quick reset dunk.

As far as "the variants happening in unvaccinated populations", I'm pretty sure Omicron started in South Africa, the most "vaccinated" country ion the continent.
You know, the place with the highest case and death count, with 30 countries above it on Ivermectin with no issues whatsoever from this "vaccine".

I suppose they should thank The Gates Foundation for priming them to the agenda.
 

sparkuri

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glad to see you looking out for the poor in Africa
Funny you say that as like the PygmyWarrior it's my soul's passion.

But don't tell Birdwatcher, he gets mad at my hat collection.20211222_203713.jpg20211222_203727.jpg20211222_203736.jpg
 
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As far as "the variants happening in unvaccinated populations", I'm pretty sure Omicron started in South Africa, the most "vaccinated" country ion the continent.
I understand you're pretty sure, but isn't about being "the most vaccinated" of those with low vaccination rates. It's having enough vaccinated.

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But that doesn't really matter because omicron developed in an unvaccinated population in that country.
 
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