General COVID Darwin Awards

[BeardOfKnowledge]

They are making an omicron specific vaccine but it'll be available after the USA has peaked with omicron so lol whatevs GG Pfizer.

This is mind boggling to me. I'm just coming up on 6 months out from second dose and was like "They'll have an omicron vaccine by March? I might as well just wait, and get the one I actually need." Then Health Canada is like "Well, we're actually going to trial this one." Ffs.

 

[Splinty]

This is mind boggling to me. I'm just coming up on 6 months out from second dose and was like "They'll have an omicron vaccine by March? I might as well just wait, and get the one I actually need." Then Health Canada is like "Well, we're actually going to trial this one." Ffs.

Beyond my understanding of what to do locally or what's going on in the United States, there's probably some utility in targeting this strain throughout the world to lower future variants. But it is pretty ironic that we just keep bringing out the technologies just in time to no longer work or after they arent clinically relevant for most of us

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Beyond my understanding of what to do locally or what's going on in the United States, there's probably some utility in targeting this strain throughout the world to lower future variants. But it is pretty ironic that we just keep bringing out the technologies just in time to no longer work or after they arent clinically relevant for most of us

What I find the most interesting thing of MRNA tech is that it's written like a computer code (yes, this a complete laymen's understanding), so they can just go "Oh, make "that" a "this" and we're good to go." but government bureaucracy is apparently going to prevent that from being feasible going forward.

 

[Thuglife13]

Omicron is the Ben Askren of covid variants.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Not your best work.

 

[Rambo John J]

What I find the most interesting thing of MRNA tech is that it's written like a computer code (yes, this a complete laymen's understanding), so they can just go "Oh, make "that" a "this" and we're good to go." but government bureaucracy is apparently going to prevent that from being feasible going forward.

You want less regulation and safety testing? While maintaining no responsibility for damage caused ?

 

[Splinty]

What I find the most interesting thing of MRNA tech is that it's written like a computer code (yes, this a complete laymen's understanding), so they can just go "Oh, make "that" a "this" and we're good to go." but government bureaucracy is apparently going to prevent that from being feasible going forward.

So that's part of it and I agree. Lots of biotech is moving at light speed and I'm not sure the government bureaucracy is ready for it. Antibodies and mRNA are good examples where things are going to keep advancing really quickly.

But also we have to be very careful. You are taking MRNA and print a protein from it. That protein then has to fold. It does that with physics, not our influence. We are getting better and better and predicting protein folding but that ain't nothing. Still have to make sure that you don't have adverse reactions from antigenic responses that are unexpected. In that problem gets even more complex when you start targeting multiple antigens. One of the reasons our vaccines continue to seem weaker and weaker is that we are only targeting the spike protein. If we targeted multiple proteins, we wouldn't have such an easy time mutating around the vaccines pressures. But then you have a more complex problem predicting protein folding and then the biologic response to those generated proteins.

I'm of course not a biochemist and I'm not sure how close we are to predicting this stuff with 100% accuracy on the first go with computer modeling. But my understanding as we aren't there yet.

 

[Splinty]

Your best work

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

"We are aggressively

You want less regulation and safety testing? While maintaining no responsibility for damage caused ?

He doesn't want anything except to bitch all the time, about literally anything that any government or public health organisation says or does or tries to do.

??

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I'm of course not a biochemist and I'm not sure how close we are to predicting this stuff with 100% accuracy on the first go with computer modeling. But my understanding as we aren't there yet.

Uh. You know this is the internet, right?

 

[Splinty]

Uh. You know this is the internet, right?

Where everything is true and watching YouTube videos is the same as a PhD ?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Where everything is true and watching YouTube videos is the same as a PhD ?

Let me help you out here.

I watched a YouTube video by a guy who once met a biochemist at Starbucks and I'm pretty sure we're close to predicting this stuff with 100% accuracy on the first go with computer modeling. My understanding as that we are right there.

 

[Leigh]

That's incredibly fucked.

If you're referring to a critically vulnerable father of a young child refusing to get vaccinated so that he can have a heart transplant, I agree. He's a fucking moron.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

If you're referring to a critically vulnerable father of a young child refusing to get vaccinated so that he can have a heart transplant, I agree. He's a fucking moron.

I was actually referring to giving someone a death sentence based on vaccination status.

 

[Leigh]

I was actually referring to giving someone a death sentence based on vaccination status.

That's what I thought and I completely disagree with you. They responded to their reasoning, which is in line with organ transplant protocol throughout history; organs are limited and will go to people who need them the most and who have the greatest chance of survival.

The hospital said it was following policy.
Brigham and Women's Hospital told the BBC in a statement: "Given the shortage of available organs, we do everything we can to ensure that a patient who receives a transplanted organ has the greatest chance of survival."
A spokesman said the hospital requires "the Covid-19 vaccine, and lifestyle behaviours for transplant candidates to create both the best chance for a successful operation and to optimise the patient's survival after transplantation, given that their immune system is drastically suppressed".
The hospital's carefully worded statement may suggest other factors lie beyond the patient's unvaccinated status for his ineligibility, but it refused to discuss specifics, citing patient privacy.
The hospital added that most of the 100,000 people on waitlists for organ transplants will not receive an organ within five years because of the shortage of available organs.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

That's what I thought and I completely disagree with you. They responded to their reasoning, which is in line with organ transplant protocol throughout history; organs are limited and will go to people who need them the most and who have the greatest chance of survival.

I'm a world where being a full blown alcoholic doesn't disqualify you from receiving a liver transplant, their rationalization claims don't hold water.

Also, didn't the UK just ditch vaccine mandates?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

You want less regulation and safety testing? While maintaining no responsibility for damage caused ?

I want a streamlined system and responsibility for damage caused.

 

[Leigh]

I'm a world where being a full blown alcoholic doesn't disqualify you from receiving a liver transplant, their rationalization claims don't hold water.

Also, didn't the UK just ditch vaccine mandates?

Government vaccine mandates aren't relevant to medical decisions.

Alcoholics getting liver transplants are different. Whilst I agree it should be a factor, alcoholism is a recognised condition. Refusing vaccination is not. George Best was an alcoholic and got liver transplant. After he destroyed that one, he didn't get another.

I think for the purpose of honest discussion, it should be noted that this father claims not to be antivax but has concerns that the covid vaccines could damage his already failing heart.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Government vaccine mandates aren't relevant to medical decisions.

Alcoholics getting liver transplants are different. Whilst I agree it should be a factor, alcoholism is a recognised condition. Refusing vaccination is not. George Best was an alcoholic and got liver transplant. After he destroyed that one, he didn't get another.

I think for the purpose of honest discussion, it should be noted that this father claims not to be antivax but has concerns that the covid vaccines could damage his already failing heart.

Given what we know that seems like a somewhat legitimate concern does it not? Everyone who gets vaccinated runs the Rick of side effects, but not everyone is going to get COVID.

That being said, alcoholism being a recognized condition is not relevant to whether or not the policy is illogical.

 

[Leigh]

Given what we know that seems like a somewhat legitimate concern does it not? Everyone who gets vaccinated runs the Rick of side effects, but not everyone is going to get COVID.

That being said, alcoholism being a recognized condition is not relevant to whether or not the policy is illogical.

Neither of us are doctors. These are the points, they make the decisions based on their experience and knowledge. Mathematically, your risk of getting covid and myocarditis is significantly higher than myocarditis from a vaccine.

You don't understand that there might be more flexibility with someone who has an addiction over someone who is being obstinate? Ok but that's a you issue.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Neither of us are doctors. These are the points, they make the decisions based on their experience and knowledge. Mathematically, your risk of getting covid and myocarditis is significantly higher than myocarditis from a vaccine.

You don't understand that there might be more flexibility with someone who has an addiction over someone who is being obstinate? Ok but that's a you issue.

Is a flu vaccine a requirement? Because that would check all the same boxes.

I also realize neither of us are doctors. I didn't think that needed to be said. I do think you might be conflating bureaucratic decisions with scientific ones.

 

[Filthy]

Beyond my understanding of what to do locally or what's going on in the United States, there's probably some utility in targeting this strain throughout the world to lower future variants. But it is pretty ironic that we just keep bringing out the technologies just in time to no longer work or after they arent clinically relevant for most of us

it's ironic that the BigPharma solutions keep the pandemic going?

not sure you're using "ironic" correctly.

 

[Filthy]

Is a flu vaccine a requirement? Because that would check all the same boxes.

I also realize neither of us are doctors. I didn't think that needed to be said. I do think you might be conflating bureaucratic decisions with scientific ones.

trying to talk science is just going to get you "drunk" ratings with this one.

enjoy.

 

[Splinty]

it's ironic that the BigPharma solutions keep the pandemic going?

not sure you're using "ironic" correctly.

That isn't at all true nor is it supported by my post.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

trying to talk science is just going to get you "drunk" ratings with this one.

enjoy.

Not with me generally. @Leigh tends to be pretty level headed even when we disagree. There's been a mutual respect between us throughout the years.