General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

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Erdogan wants to be a player, and beginning in 2018 Turkey has sought to normalize ties with Russia. Why would they not?
I misread your post tbh and created a situation in my mind you weren’t talking about.

how’s that for an answer?

Fite me!!
 

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I still maintain this is a feint. But the last 7 days have genuinely worried me. That press conference when Lavrov said you know everything master was really telling. He is losing it. The massive presser and one to one last night where he rambled on for nearly 2 hours was more than concerning.

He looks different. He doesnt look in control. He has, for the first time I can recall spectacularly failed. There is no win for him at this point.

There are 3 options. A manufactured media win but army withdrawal. But this will weaken him because the Internet will still give the truth to enough Russians.

A long drawn out war. This will weaken him because Russians don't want blood to be spilled for Ukraine.

Or the nuclear option.

Were back to the 80's. Yay!
 
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Was a feint I should say. He's backed himself into a corner now.

NS2 is up the swanny and NATO is going to enlarge.

I think he has lost it. Is there anyone left in Russia to stand up to him?
 
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I don't even remember what I wrote. Haven't had my coffee yet.

Biden was there first hand to see Obama masterfully handle the Crimea situation. We can all rest easy.

There - I went political. ?

Either way. ( not really you were wrong )

But what is an interesting development is Germany has finally told Putin Nordstrom 2 is gone. Biden really did have the power to halt it it seems...

I am extremely concerned at the mental well being of Putin. This is so irrational.
 

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I'm assuming Utin will justbswitch to The Gap. I didn't even know he shopped at Nordstrom.

Unfortunately for Putin The Gap is now online only over here. They have ditched their bricks and mortar shops.

Putin doesn't trust the internet. Too many fancy bears.
 

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So this is how fucked up we are over here.


This is the Magnitsky Act. It's to stop Russians from laudering dirty money in Londongrad. Note I give the link from our House of Lords.



This is Evgeny Alexandrovich Lebedev . Here he is pictured in the House of Lords.

His daddy was a colonel in the KGB ( I say was but you never retire from the KGB ). His daddy is bezzies with Putin.

He was made a Lord by Johnson. His house is where Johnson partied after the last election victory. When he was Foreign Minister Johnson used to go to his villa, in Italy I believe, and insist his security detail had to stay away from the compound. Our own cunt of a PM is most likely an asset for Putin and it's in clear plain sight.

Lets see what the utterly contemptible liar does in regard to sanctions today. I can promise you it will be nothing to hurt Putin and the people who hold his money.

Putin has most likely compromat on Johnson like he did Trump.
 

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Very scary. I don't anticipate large-scale nuclear weapons being used, however tactical nuclear strategies are probably not off the table.

Putin wants Sevastopol for the Russian Navy. Without it, Russia has no warm-water ports. Sevastopol allows Russia to project power into the Mediterranean via the Straights of Turkey (a country playing both sides). If America supplants Russia as LNG/energy supplier to Europe when NordStream goes offline, it will be by ship. Russia will send their Black Sea and Baltic fleets out to sink the ships. Then you'll see some fucking fireworks. Most of our Ohio-class subs are deployed to the Pacific Fleet to deal with North Korea and China. I'm not sure what the capabilities of our Sixth Fleet are, I'm looking that up. They'll be dealing with whatever Russia steams into the Mediterranean.

Putin is playing chicken and gambling NATO doesn't have the balls to come at him. We'll see if they do. Russia can NOT defeat the allied forces of NATO without tactical nukes, and that would be a level of aggression that I don't think I want to think about.
They already got the Sevastopol port, that's Crimea they annexed in 2014. I fear what they want is to restore parts of the Soviet Union back. Overrun Ukraine and then have Belarus join with them....to what end I don't know. Because it's a really dumb move economically and will isolate them even more from rest of the world. But who knows what's going through a former KGB officers head. What I was reading about Putin is about his work in counter intelligence, specifically counter intelligence, or looking for double agents in their own ranks, which made him super paranoid, so he mistrusts everyone around, especially the west. That would explain his policies to some degree, and the kind of government he built, made up close childhood friends and nepotism.

Unless they are throwing all their chips on the table, like you said with Taiwan too. Putin and Xi both, two autocrats would decide to go it alone and just do whatever they want and turn their back on the west. Can they do this economically? I hope not.

Good thing happened today is Germany halted the gas pipeline. Hopefully NATO will take a harder line too and come up with a united defensive response.
 

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Good thing happened today is Germany halted the gas pipeline.
It's already built, just hasn't been turned on yet. This doesn't really hurt Russia as much as it will hurt Germany's gas prices (assuming the news causes a spike)
 

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It's already built, just hasn't been turned on yet. This doesn't really hurt Russia as much as it will hurt Germany's gas prices (assuming the news causes a spike)
Retaliatory sanctions. They are already supplying Germany with oil. The pipeline would have made it cheaper by bypassing Ukraine taxes.

Edit: nvm. Just reread the post But it will be a game of sanctions and it will hurt all of us financially. Including Russia. Without china, I feel that they would have almost no leverage. US and the world still has the Saudis for petroleum, and north America is sitting on a ton of it.