General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

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TheFifthScallop

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I just caught up on the last 8 pages or so and WOW. I knew certain posters on here were dumb, but holy shit, there is some next level stupidity going on in here.
 
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@Lars, what exactly am I looking at here? Is this someone with their head/face blown off? Why is there not a single drop of blood on the bench or ground? Was he placed there after bleeding out? My conspiracy bells are jingling. Help me out...

You can see some bloody footprints and blood under the torso so I would have to imagine he was placed there after dying because it’s a weird ass position too

but that just how Azov rolls
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Dude is a respected scholar and he’s analyzing an official state media document.

close your eyes if you want bruv
This is a 100% serious question. If you had nukes and bombers and wanted to commit a wholesale genocide. Why would you run a half-assed invasion of 3 sections of a giant country where you're losing more soldiers and equipment than you are killing people?
 
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This is a 100% serious question. If you had nukes and bombers and wanted to commit a wholesale genocide. Why would you run a half-assed invasion of 3 sections of a giant country where you're losing more soldiers and equipment than you are killing people?
this is a serious question, what about this invasion makes you think it was in any way competently planned and going how they thought it would? If you read the article, the “handbook” is a response to Russia realizing it was not going to be greeted by parades. If you don’t think they had plans to eliminate Ukrainian identity through violence I don’t know what to tell you bruv?

they can’t send their bombers out of their airspace because they are sitting ducks for SAMs. They have had to use fighter-bombers that are still getting shot down. They are almost out of precision munitions.

they can’t nuke yet because then there is no holding back NATO

and Putin took control of planning the invasion, his own generals had no involvement. He pulled a Saddam vs Iran.

they are also gearing up to dig in for a long war of attrition now
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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this is a serious question, what about this invasion makes you think it was in any way competently planned and going how they thought it would?
I don't think it was.

If you read the article, the “handbook” is a response to Russia realizing it was not going to be greeted by parades. If you don’t think they had plans to eliminate Ukrainian identity through violence I don’t know what to tell you bruv?
If Putin believes that the 2 areas (Donbas and Crimea) belong to Russia because they're largely ethnically Russian. It makes sense to say "Anyone who doesn't want to be Russian needs to get the fuck out." It does not however mean he's trying to wipe the Ukraine off the map and kill all Ukrainian people.

they can’t send their bombers out of their airspace because they are sitting ducks for SAMs

they can’t nuke yet because then there is no holding back NATO
They're already losing troops and equipment hand over fist, at least bombing runs get good ROI. Regarding no nukes because of NATO, the idea that NATO is going to sit by while Russia wipes Ukraine off the map, but would sit up and take notice at a couple tactical nukes doesn't really hold water.

What Russia is doing is absolutely not acceptable, but it isn't the Holocaust either.
 
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I don't think it was.



If Putin believes that the 2 areas (Donbas and Crimea) belong to Russia because they're largely ethnically Russian. It makes sense to say "Anyone who doesn't want to be Russian needs to get the fuck out." It does not however mean he's trying to wipe the Ukraine off the map and kill all Ukrainian people.



They're already losing troops and equipment hand over fist, at least bombing runs get good ROI. Regarding no nukes because of NATO, the idea that NATO is going to sit by while Russia wipes Ukraine off the map, but would sit up and take notice at a couple tactical nukes doesn't really hold water.

What Russia is doing is absolutely not acceptable, but it isn't the Holocaust either.
just because something isn’t to the scale of the Holocaust doesn’t mean it should be disregarded.

donbas is a secondary goal he has reverted too after trying to topple the Ukrainian state and install a pro-Russian Regime backed by Russian troops allowing them to eliminate the “Ukrainian” element. Even if he wants to expell non Russians from Donbas, that is ethnic cleansing, and when they don’t want to leave you have to kill them.

the plan was to expunge these elements, which they believed to be about 4 percent of the population in relative secrecy.

no tactical nukes was as close to a line in the sand as NATO has drawn, plus all the fallout goes back over Russia so it’s a last case option.

bombing is being done by the safest method they have (fast, agile fighter bombers) and they’re getting a bad ROI already with planes shot down and limited effectiveness. Strategic bombers without stealth capability have been obsolete for years, Russia only uses them to carry nuclear warheads. They were using ones that could launch ballistic missiles early on but they are almost out of those and need to save some for capacity purposes.