General The Supreme Court has overturned Roe vs Wade.

[Speaker to Animals]

K @kaladin stormblessed , forgive me but I can’t help but chuckle from your posts in this thread. Why, you ask? Because I have always pictured you as the type that would chase kids, who just knocked a bird’s nest with eggs in it out of a tree, down the street yelling “Murderers!”

 

[kaladin stormblessed]

If a 14 year old girl is raped and graciously allowed by other people to get an abortion, she should never forget that, on top of being raped, she commited legal murder?

@cat-smasher - to be clear, i think you misread my post. i was using that example to show that the girl should NOT be shamed as a murderer

 

[MMAHAWK]

Since I cannot get pregnant, I have never put too much thought into it other than one time a girlfriend and I had "a scare." So that is a question which I am unprepared to answer, but I will try to do so.

When I was a Catholic, I believed in the concept of souls. So, in the past, I believed that life began at conception. I no longer believe those things.

With that said, the idea of an abortion gets more and more uncomfortable as it gets closer to 9 months. I think the third trimester was a decent cutoff, which is what Roe v Wade said if I am not mistaken.

But one day short of 7 months vs one day past 7 months is the same thing. It's an arbitrary number. So I guess ultimately, I wouldn't argue against a woman aborting a baby at any time.

In other words, I trust that women can make the decision about their bodies without my input.

You’re ok with killing the baby minutes before it’s born?

 

[kaladin stormblessed]

You’re ok with killing the baby minutes before it’s born?

I am okay with a woman doing it.

And I wish a friend had done it because then she might still be alive for her hubby and other children.

 

[MMAHAWK]

I am okay with a woman doing it

What about if the cord hasn’t been cut and the baby’s out? Still part of her body?

 

[kaladin stormblessed]

What about if the cord hasn’t been cut and the baby’s out? Still part of her body?

Depends on the situation. If the woman's life is at risk, I'd like it to be her choice.

Not sure if you saw my edit. My childhood crush (older sisters friend) died in childbirth. So birth freaks me out. I wouldn't blame women for changing their mind at any point during the pregancy because of that.

Tho the earlier the better

 

[kaladin stormblessed]

My best friends wife also almost died giving birth. And she's like a sister. That one would've hurt bad.

 

[Deleted member 1]

can we just change the name from abortion to legal murder and let whoever wants to commit it deal with their guilty conscience and call it a day?

If even God does not determine that an abortion is murder, who are you to find it as such?

If your position is a religious play. The God of Abraham clearly states that an abortion is not at the same penalty as murder.

If your position is an ethical one then there's quite a bit of hubris here. Assuming that your own personal view of this is murder should be applied to everybody else. At least in the religious note, the position comes from a universal power that you're following and not dictating your personal will.





One of my patients recently has a surgical reason that I can't disclose for patient privacy reasons and got pregnant accidentally through her birth control pills. She has a high risk of death for carrying this pregnancy and will be leaving Texas to get an abortion in a nearby state.

Don't you find it a bit cruel to tell this woman that simply wants to be alive for herself or husband and her other child that she is murdering her fetus all because she simply wants to live?

 

[MMAHAWK]

If even God does not determine that an abortion is murder, who are you to find it as such?

If your position is a religious play. The God of Abraham clearly states that an abortion is not at the same penalty as murder.

If your position is an ethical one then there's quite a bit of hubris here. Assuming that your own personal view of this is murder should be applied to everybody else. At least in the religious note, the position comes from a universal power that you're following and not dictating your personal will.





One of my patients recently has a surgical reason that I can't disclose for patient privacy reasons and got pregnant accidentally through her birth control pills. She has a high risk of death for carrying this pregnancy and will be leaving Texas to get an abortion in a nearby state.

Don't you find it a bit cruel to tell this woman that simply wants to be alive for herself or husband and her other child that she is murdering her fetus all because she simply wants to live?

No health issues
Due in 2 weeks
Gets job offer and wants to abort
You still believe that it’s just a clump of cells?

 

[member 1013]

K @kaladin stormblessed , forgive me but I can’t help but chuckle from your posts in this thread. Why, you ask? Because I have always pictured you as the type that would chase kids, who just knocked a bird’s nest with eggs in it out of a tree, down the street yelling “Murderers!”

i crushed 8 grackle eggs with my bare hands last weekend

i am a savage

 

[FINGERS]

Since I cannot get pregnant, I have never put too much thought into it other than one time a girlfriend and I had "a scare." So that is a question which I am unprepared to answer, but I will try to do so.

When I was a Catholic, I believed in the concept of souls. So, in the past, I believed that life began at conception. I no longer believe those things.

With that said, the idea of an abortion gets more and more uncomfortable as it gets closer to 9 months. I think the third trimester was a decent cutoff, which is what Roe v Wade said if I am not mistaken.

But one day short of 7 months vs one day past 7 months is the same thing. It's an arbitrary number. So I guess ultimately, I wouldn't argue against a woman aborting a baby at any time.

In other words, I trust that women can make the decision about their bodies without my input.

It's 24 weeks here.

For me thats a little bit long to realise you are pregnant and don't want it.

 

[member 1013]

If even God does not determine that an abortion is murder, who are you to find it as such?

If your position is a religious play. The God of Abraham clearly states that an abortion is not at the same penalty as murder.

If your position is an ethical one then there's quite a bit of hubris here. Assuming that your own personal view of this is murder should be applied to everybody else. At least in the religious note, the position comes from a universal power that you're following and not dictating your personal will.





One of my patients recently has a surgical reason that I can't disclose for patient privacy reasons and got pregnant accidentally through her birth control pills. She has a high risk of death for carrying this pregnancy and will be leaving Texas to get an abortion in a nearby state.

Don't you find it a bit cruel to tell this woman that simply wants to be alive for herself or husband and her other child that she is murdering her fetus all because she simply wants to live?

dude these guys didn’t read my peoples book they just slapped some syriac-greek Jesus fan fiction on the end

 

[MMAHAWK]

i crushed 8 grackle eggs with my bare hands last weekend

i am a savage

HITLARS IMO

 

[member 1013]

HITLARS IMO

i exaggerated, i found a nest in a laundry vent and accidentally threw the egg on the ground when i was removing it

i still feel like shit

 

[Speaker to Animals]

The folks that make it happen aren't only interested in late term abortions, they want enforced protection of cell clumps too, and don't kid yourself

 

[Deleted member 1]

No health issues
Due in 2 weeks
Gets job offer and wants to abort
You still believe that it’s just a clump of cells?

I'll engage you on this if you'll stop putting words in my mouth and trying to frame me or anybody else in a certain way.
I didn't ever say any of it was a clump of cells.
But the person I responded to did in their own words frame. All abortion has legal murder. I didn't put those words in their mouth. That is their concrete blanket framing.

Roe v. Wade and the casey verdict, clearly states a compromise that before viability, the woman's health, privacy, and own social determination is of more important than society's interest in its potential future member. After viability there becomes an increased interest by society such that elective abortion is no longer allowed. At that point, only extenuating circumstances that increase the woman's social detriment, health risk, etc. Exceptions to the viability line of the sand.

This balance between a woman's body and the reality that a late-term pregnancy has now developed. Most of the way, is the current law of the land. I am in support of this. Undoing this is wrong.

Now quit trying to put words in my mouth. I deliver babies as a living. I try to keep women and babies healthy throughout the entire pregnancy. And I find it wildly offensive to come at me with a clump of cells talk. Trying to frame me as some soulless enemy on this conversation.

 

[member 1013]

i think one of the deep south states is drafting a law where any fertilized egg, even if it doesn’t attach to the uterine wall that doesn’t come to term is an illegal abortion penalized like murder.

 

[RaginCajun]

Depends on the situation. If the woman's life is at risk, I'd like it to be her choice.

Not sure if you saw my edit. My childhood crush (older sisters friend) died in childbirth. So birth freaks me out. I wouldn't blame women for changing their mind at any point during the pregancy because of that.

Tho the earlier the better

What if the baby is like 3 years old but just a little brat and is always spilling drinks and shit?
Do you wanna abort that baby too?

 

[member 1013]

I'll engage you on this if you'll stop putting words in my mouth and trying to frame me or anybody else in a certain way.
I didn't ever say any of it was a clump of cells.
But the person I responded to did in their own words frame. All abortion has legal murder. I didn't put those words in their mouth. That is their concrete blanket framing.

Roe v. Wade and the casey verdict, clearly states a compromise that before viability, the woman's health, privacy, and own social determination is of more important than society's interest in its potential future member. After viability there becomes an increased interest by society such that elective abortion is no longer allowed. At that point, only extenuating circumstances that increase the woman's social detriment, health risk, etc. Exceptions to the viability line of the sand.

This balance between a woman's body and the reality that a late-term pregnancy has now developed. Most of the way, is the current law of the land. I am in support of this. Undoing this is wrong.

Now quit trying to put words in my mouth. I deliver babies as a living. I try to keep women and babies healthy throughout the entire pregnancy. And I find it wildly offensive to come at me with a clump of cells talk. Trying to frame me as some soulless enemy on this conversation.

baby killer

 

[member 1013]

What if the baby is like 3 years old but just a little brat and is always spilling drinks and shit?
Do you wanna abort that baby too?

that’s a toddler not a baby

and yes

 

[Deleted member 1]

i think one of the deep south states is drafting a law where any fertilized egg, even if it doesn’t attach to the uterine wall that doesn’t come to term is an illegal abortion penalized like murder.

It may not be apparent to the average person, but that law is directly intended to make intrauterine devices illegal. IUDs help kill sperm before fertilization occurs. And in the event that fertilization does occur, prevents implantation into the uterine wall.

Because fertilization might occur in the IUD might then prevent that fertilized egg from becoming a pregnancy, some religious organizations, mostly Catholic, have targeted IUDs and some sort of variant of abortion.

 

[member 1013]

@Splinty who kills more innocent babes, you or Azov Batallion?

 

[RaginCajun]

that’s a toddler not a baby

and yes

Now quit trying to put words in my mouth,
Toddler killer.

 

[member 3289]

It may not be apparent to the average person, but that law is directly intended to make intrauterine devices illegal. IUDs help kill sperm before fertilization occurs. And in the event that fertilization does occur, prevents implantation into the uterine wall.

Because fertilization might occur in the IUD might then prevent that fertilized egg from becoming a pregnancy, some religious organizations, mostly Catholic, have targeted IUDs and some sort of variant of abortion.

Wouldn't it be smarter to go after mifepristone before going after IUD's?

Btw I mentioned mifepristone to @Lars and he thought it was the morning-after pill. What an idiot, right? Lol

 

[member 1013]

Wouldn't it be smarter to go after mifepristone before going after IUD's?

Btw I mentioned mifepristone to @Lars and he thought it was the morning-after pill. What an idiot, right? Lol

sorry i’m not an expert baby killer like u bruv