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Rambo John J

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Sure, there's no need to immediately believe everything that's put out there.

But the sheriff stated at a press conference that it is, quote, a “straight-up racially motivated hate crime.”

And the attack fits the well established template of right wing mass killers who were radicalised by the Internet before carrying out their politically-driven massacres. None of them were radicalised by the lying mass media - it was by the lying garbage blogs on the Internet.

But what you are doing, is reflexively calling conspiracy. Instantly. Waaaaah, elites, waaaaah, lying media. Immediately.

Maybe the quotes from the manifesto aren't actually genuine. But that seems unlikely. It's not some hidden thing. The cops are treating it as a politically motivated mass shooting, and that being the case, at this point in the culture wars it's more likely than not that he wrote a document that he wants people to read. He wants to tell people about 4chan and 8chan and the rest of the far right garbage blogosphere. Just like Breivik, Roof, Tarrant and others did. Even him livestreaming it suggests that he's following the path that others have laid down before him.

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It does fit "the template".

Some of the quotes are copy/pasted word for word from previous manifestos(NZ) if it is indeed his genuine manifesto.

"None of them were radicalised by the lying mass media", I would strongly disagree with this.


I'm not telling you what to believe, only to use caution before jumping on the initial narrative 100%. History is full of examples of the initial narrative turning out to be false as more information comes to light. The problem is that most will only read or remember the initial narrative.

Many folks, possibly you included...are busting a nut because they can scream "I told you so!".

You can go full send with the current information if you want, I will not do so...history has shown this to be unwise.
 

Rambo John J

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Expound on this with examples, please.

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I believe people are being radicalized every day by the lying mass media.
Some become shooters and/or violent towards people they have never met.

MSM and the Internet are the most powerful propaganda and most divisive tools mankind has ever seen.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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I believe people are being radicalized every day by the lying mass media.
Some become shooters and/or violent towards people they have never met.

MSM and the Internet are the most powerful propaganda and most divisive tools mankind has ever seen.
So no, you can't provide any examples.

Whereas I can provide multiple examples from all over the Western world of several of these assholes directly saying flat out "4chan and right wing memes and blogs made me decide to do this."

But yeah, elites, mainstream media, conspiracy, ooooOOOOOooooo. Such a wise, insightful stance. Maybe these assholes take assault rifles into supermarkets and mosques and Wal-Marts and churches because of exactly the reason they want to tell the world - the message that each of these massacres was carried out to amplify.

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Rambo John J

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So no, you can't provide any examples.

Whereas I can provide multiple examples of several of these assholes directly saying flat out "4chan and right wing memes made me decide to do this."

But yeah, elites, mainstream media, conspiracy, ooooOOOOOooooo. Such a wise, insightful stance. Maybe these assholes take assault rifles into supermarkets and mosques and Wal-Marts and churches because of exactly the reason they want to tell the world - the message the entire massacre was carried out to amplify.

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John

You may be correct, and you may be incorrect

I hope you maintain the perspective to digest all future info on this shooter

Let us remain calm with each other and continue to discuss this as the dust settles

-John
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Whats the deal with this grocery store in this community? Why did he drive hours to get to this specific one?
 

John Lee Pettimore

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John

You maybe correct, and you may be incorrect

I hope you maintain the perspective to digest all future info on this shooter

Let us remain calm with each other and continue to discuss this as the dust settles

-John
In this case, I am correct. What I am saying can be backed by facts. These recent politically-motivated mass shootings are committed by right-wing extremists who are self-radicalised by right-wing garbage blogs. Not by people who are taking their political worldview from the MSM.

You can feel free to show otherwise.

Except you can't. You don't like that I am correct here, so you don't want to do anything except make vague, meaningless opaque references to shadowy elites controlling everything and pulling all the strings behind the scenes and blah blah blah. It's boring. Why not just say what is true - that yeah, 4chan is a cancer that poisoned this idiot asshole's tiny mind and radicalised him into committing an atrocity. Just like it has to multiple others in multiple Western countries around the world in the last few years, by their own proud boasting. What's so difficult about that?

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Rambo John J

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In this case, I am correct. What I am saying can be backed by facts. These recent politically-motivated mass shootings are committed by right-wing extremists who are self-radicalised by right-wing garbage blogs. Not by people who are taking their political worldview from the MSM.

You can feel free to show otherwise.

Except you can't. You don't like that I am correct here, so you don't want to do anything except make vague, meaningless opaque references to shadowy elites controlling everything and pulling all the strings behind the scenes and blah blah blah. It's boring. Why not just say what is true - that yeah, 4chan is a cancer that poisoned this idiot asshole's tiny mind and radicalised him into committing an atrocity. Just like it has to multiple others in multiple Western countries around the world in the last few years, by their own proud boasting. What's so difficult about that?

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politically-motivated mass shootings

4chan
right wing extremists
right wing garbage blogs

not the MSM

Got it
 
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In this case, I am correct. What I am saying can be backed by facts. These recent politically-motivated mass shootings are committed by right-wing extremists who are self-radicalised by right-wing garbage blogs. Not by people who are taking their political worldview from the MSM.

You can feel free to show otherwise.

Except you can't. You don't like that I am correct here, so you don't want to do anything except make vague, meaningless opaque references to shadowy elites controlling everything and pulling all the strings behind the scenes and blah blah blah. It's boring. Why not just say what is true - that yeah, 4chan is a cancer that poisoned this idiot asshole's tiny mind and radicalised him into committing an atrocity. Just like it has to multiple others in multiple Western countries around the world in the last few years, by their own proud boasting. What's so difficult about that?

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He has nothing to say. He never does lol.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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politically-motivated mass shootings

4chan
right wing extremists
right wing garbage blogs

not the MSM

Got it

Got a name? A quote? An example? Anything at all, other than ooooOOOOOooooo, spooky music?

How many quotes from mass shooters referencing 4chan alone do you want me to shove in your face?

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Rambo John J

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Got a name? A quote? An example? Anything at all, other than ooooOOOOOooooo, spooky music?

How many quotes from mass shooters referencing 4chan alone do you want me to shove in your face?

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I'm not really into shoving things into anybodies face, especially over the internet.

You can reference whatever you want.


I just said I wouldn't believe the manifesto 100% at this time.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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I'm not really into shoving things into anybodies face, especially over the internet.

You can reference whatever you want.


I just said I wouldn't believe the manifesto 100% at this time.
You don't need to believe everything 100% of the time.

But you're not displaying healthy skepticism. The MSM is not a factor in this crime. The right wing garbage blogs, on the other hand, very much are. Yet you default to "oh, don't just believe there's a manifesto, remember the elites agenda, powerful shadowy conspiracy, ooooOOOOOooooo" immediately, every single time.

This shooter appears to be following a clearly established template of politically motivated, internet-addicted attention-whore incel loser firearm massacres. Why not talk about the garbage blogs that he appears (and others certainly have) proudly highlighted as the source of his self-radicalisation?

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Rambo John J

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You don't need to believe everything 100% of the time.

But you're not displaying healthy skepticism. The MSM is not a factor in this crime. The right wing garbage blogs, on the other hand, very much are. Yet you default to "oh, don't just believe there's a manifesto, remember the elites agenda, powerful shadowy conspiracy, ooooOOOOOooooo" immediately, every single time.

This shooter appears to be following a clearly established template of politically motivated, internet-addicted attention-whore incel loser firearm massacres. Why not talk about the garbage blogs that he appears (and others certainly have) proudly highlighted as the source of his self-radicalisation?

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^Ad Hominem + Straw man^

I'm not drawing conclusions on what information is valid and what is not hours after something like this occurs, it really is that simple John.

You can do as you please.

I understand you are angry about this event and others you feel are just like it, reading you loud and clear.
 

FINGERS

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It's just baffling that this happens dozens of times of year in one country. Baffling.

Anyway. Thoughts and prayers. Etc.
 

SongExotic2

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It's just baffling that this happens dozens of times of year in one country. Baffling.

Anyway. Thoughts and prayers. Etc.
It's not baffling, they are fucking mongaloids. Coworkers used to offer me guns knives for free. One gave me a knife and I had to give it back after 2 hours of so as I didn't like having it. He gave me a Gerber instead. Said coworker had 50+ guns. One of my dad's buddies (who pussed out of selling me his 911) has over 70.

My dad gave me a Glock and I never went to the range with it once. They love that shit. It's also worth noting I'll happily shoot some cunt, wouldn't bat an eye, I'm just not obsessed with guns like they are in America. Although I do enjoy shooting them just to see where my aims at.